What is a communist?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Socialism is a policy of reinvesting the surplus value towards the workers and members of the society instead of hogging it as profit in the pockets of individuals. Profits get reinvested but not necessarily properly.

In a socialist state, the workers have a say in how the products they create are managed and how the funds resulted from their commercialization are reinvested. This directly leads to a policy of bettering the lives of said members of society via healthcare, disability insurance, retirement funds, civic resources, etc. Because the previously mentioned benefits are for the workers, by the workers, they are to be state owned and managed, and not private. None will operate on a profit-making basis, but on a betterment of said services. Social housing, lack of homelessness is also included.

Socialism isn't about banning guns, not being patriotic, it's about bettering the lives of people and reducing class differences by pushing the minimum standard of living upwards.

Abolishing private property is indeed a concept - in a socialist state you should not have massive landowners that only offer spaces of living with small investments to people who must pay rent towards them, and have that as their main source of income. Private property does not mean personal property though people should probably read Marx or some neo-Marxists to further understand this difference.

Medicare or a sort of state-owned healthcare institution which guarantees access to healthcare to its citizens without directly paying (taxes to fund said institution is not direct payment) would be considered a socialist type of action. Even so, Bernie is the only mildly socialist politician that I know in the US.

Socialism does not work though as a small tree in a capitalist forest - running a socialist state means costs reflect reality and do not get compensated by the extremely complicated and, in a sense, delusional stock market and investing that actually happens. The socialist state will get financially slaughtered by the capitalist ones but not because it is an intrinsically better system.

For example, the American (or most places on Earth) real estate market does not make sense - X land gets valued at a particular sum but requires a consistent rise in valuation in order to create profit for the investors, do a degree that few people actually have access to it. You can have one or two but NY City is filled with extremely expensive locations that no normal business can properly rent and still make a profit from whatever they sell without raising costs that make their own products much more expensive than what they actually are worth. This becomes problematic, because the answer is "buy less" for the one who wants said product but cannot afford it , as that also reduces the profit of said business which brings them back to them not being able to keep renting the place that requires a consistent rise in valuation in order to be profitable.

I'm not a socialist nor a capitalist so I'm not shilling for either - both are in my opinion not good for the long term as we live in a finite world with finite resources. It only took us 200 years to become overpopulated but we still refuse to acknowledge the disaster that overpopulation is. "The Great Depression" and the recovery from it should not make us optimistic either - it was an artificial crisis created by the stock market and not a resource-based one. Once we hit a proper crisis we will fully understand how deeply fucked we are.

[Maintenance]

On social issues they are similar to European liberals. The Republican Party is further right than European conservatives.

No they arent

[Tarlus Magnus]

Tarlus Magnus basically described it but communism and socialism dont work at all, and it fucks up everything it touches, some ideas are nice on paper but they are not applicable in real life. Cuba and Venezuela are the demostration that socialism and communism are fucking cancer.

we will all die anyway because of this oligarchic system that benefits fewer people every year.
That all greta thundberg thing is the demonstration of controlled opposition by them
A fucking teen used for libtard propaganda just to benefit big corporates like Elon Musk.
Kids are being indocrinated with libtard propaganda so the parents and older relatives react to this by voting the opposition but what they don't know is that they don't really have freedom because its controlled too.
Meanwhile people get a very confused idea of renewable energy because of both right wing and left wing liberals, so some people wrongly believe that inefficient, expensive and land occupying energy sources like solar and bird blenders I mean wind vents are the option to go for.
And libcons say because of these issues its better to go fossil fuels until something better appears purposely ignoring already existent good alternatives like thorium reactors that was discovered in the 60's but they prefered uranium to thorium even tho more dangerous, less reliable and less common to find because its very difficult to build a nuke out of thorium unlike uranium and that was no good during cold war.
But most people dont know about this because very few people talk about it and no media covers this and in school it isnt ever mentioned just for the good of a minuscule bunch of people

[Tarlus Magnus]

Socialism is a policy of reinvesting the surplus value towards the workers and members of the society instead of hogging it as profit in the pockets of individuals. Profits get reinvested but not necessarily properly.

In a socialist state, the workers have a say in how the products they create are managed and how the funds resulted from their commercialization are reinvested. This directly leads to a policy of bettering the lives of said members of society via healthcare, disability insurance, retirement funds, civic resources, etc. Because the previously mentioned benefits are for the workers, by the workers, they are to be state owned and managed, and not private. None will operate on a profit-making basis, but on a betterment of said services. Social housing, lack of homelessness is also included.

Socialism isn't about banning guns, not being patriotic, it's about bettering the lives of people and reducing class differences by pushing the minimum standard of living upwards.

Abolishing private property is indeed a concept - in a socialist state you should not have massive landowners that only offer spaces of living with small investments to people who must pay rent towards them, and have that as their main source of income. Private property does not personal property though people should probably read Marx or some neo-Marxists to further understand this difference.

Medicare or a sort of state-owned healthcare institution which guarantees access to healthcare to its citizens without directly paying (taxes to fund said institution is not direct payment) would be considered a socialist type of action. Even so, Bernie is the only mildly socialist politician that I know in the US.

Socialism does not work though as a small tree in a capitalist forest - running a socialist state means costs reflect reality and do not get compensated by the extremely complicated and, in a sense, delusional stock market and investing that actually happens. The socialist state will get financially slaughtered by the capitalist ones but not because it is an intrinsically better system.

For example, the American (or most places on Earth) real estate market does not make sense - X land gets valued at a particular sum but requires a consistent rise in valuation in order to create profit for the investors, do a degree that few people actually have access to it. You can have one or two but NY City is filled with extremely expensive locations that no normal business can properly rent and still make a profit from whatever they sell without raising costs that make their own products much more expensive than what they actually are worth. This becomes problematic, because the answer is "buy less" for the one who wants said product but cannot afford it , as that also reduces the profit of said business which brings them back to them not being able to keep renting the place that requires a consistent rise in valuation in order to be profitable.

I'm not a socialist nor a capitalist so I'm not shilling for either - both are in my opinion not good for the long term as we live in a finite world with finite resources. It only took us 200 years to become overpopulated but we still refuse to acknowledge the disaster that overpopulation is. "The Great Depression" and the recovery from it should not make us optimistic either - it was an artificial crisis created by the stock market and not a resource-based one. Once we hit a proper crisis we will fully understand how deeply fucked we are.

finally someone who understood the differences between these ideologies

[catgeorge]

No to all of those.

These politicians would be seen as center right in Europe.

Clown.

[catgeorge]

Criticise a political party and be crucified.

Sounds like Twitter and Facebook has already done that to Trump.

Where leftist in congress openly state they will hunt down Trump supporters and nothing happens despite threats of bodily harm

[catgeorge]

The right doesnt care about homeless, poor, environment and animal cruelty is all one big wank job.

The left has historically killed more people than the right that only cares about decency and excellence.

Fucking leftist degenerates.

[Mixdguy17]

we will all die anyway because of this oligarchic system that benefits fewer people every year.
That all greta thundberg thing is the demonstration of controlled opposition by them
A fucking teen used for libtard propaganda just to benefit big corporates like Elon Musk.
Kids are being indocrinated with libtard propaganda so the parents and older relatives react to this by voting the opposition but what they don't know is that they don't really have freedom because its controlled too.
Meanwhile people get a very confused idea of renewable energy because of both right wing and left wing liberals, so some people wrongly believe that inefficient, expensive and land occupying energy sources like solar and bird blenders I mean wind vents are the option to go for.
And libcons say because of these issues its better to go fossil fuels until something better appears purposely ignoring already existent good alternatives like thorium reactors that was discovered in the 60's but they prefered uranium to thorium even tho more dangerous, less reliable and less common to find because its very difficult to build a nuke out of thorium unlike uranium and that was no good during cold war.
But most people dont know about this because very few people talk about it and no media covers this and in school it isnt ever mentioned just for the good of a minuscule bunch of people

Dude communism and socialism fucked my country up, u have no clue, this ideas do not work at all, not letting private companies grow and taking from others to give to people who do not work or make the singles effort to do anything to get by is not a sustainable plan, sure we have to do something to help, but it can be achieved in different ways, like making more jobs bcs people will always take advantage of handouts and it just ends up fucking up everyone else. Literally all my family is split bcs of fucking comunism, I havent seen family members in years, some live in the other side of the globe, christmas are not the same, and people fucking kill their kids so they dont starve to death, eat trash, and are not able to go to hospitals bcs of the lack of resources, people immigrate illigealy bcs they just have to get out, and theres literally no wealthy people left, all the ones that were immigrated to somewhere else, only rich people are the one in power and they are the ones that caused this and that benefit from all of this. If these leaders really believe in socialism/communism, why do they not give all their wealth to their people, who are literally starving to death which is due to their IDEALS, huh?.

Comunism is fucking cancer and it does not work, its a pretty idea but it does not work on its own. Go to Venezuela or Cuba and see it for yourself.

I literally had to leave my country at an early age bcs of how fucked my country was bcs of socialism, and moved so much around, left friends and family behind. I havent seen my dad in years, have to congratulate him in birthdays or christmas through a fucking screen, I cant enjoy my grandparents,I cant hug my grandma, I cant see my sister. Fuck comunism, idc about what good aspects u have to tell me about it.

I like u dude, but I just difer greatly on this, and I do bcs of I have experience with it, the fact that these two ideals took one of the biggest potences in the american continent and turn it into one of the biggest shitholes in the world (eeven the ones that are in WAR), in less than 10 yrs, should speak volumes.

[2garin]

I'm a national-bolshevist because I disagree on Marx's views on nationalism, race and culture

Interesting.

[Tarlus Magnus]

Dude communism and socialism fucked my country up, u have no clue, this ideas do not work at all, not letting private companies grow and taking from others to give to people who do not work or make the singles effort to do anything to get by is not a sustainable plan, sure we have to do something to help, but it can be achieved in different ways, like making more jobs bcs people will always take advantage of handouts and it just ends up fucking up everyone else. Literally all my family is split bcs of fucking comunism, I havent seen family members in years, some live in the other side of the globe, christmas are not the same, and people fucking kill their kids so they dont starve to death, eat trash, and are not able to go to hospitals bcs of the lack of resources, people immigrate illigealy bcs they just have to get out, and theres literally no wealthy people left, all the ones that were immigrated to somewhere else, only rich people are the one in power and they are the ones that caused this and that benefit from all of this. If these leaders really believe in socialism/communism, why do they not give all their wealth to their people, who are literally starving to death which is due to their IDEALS, huh?.

Comunism is fucking cancer and it does not work, its a pretty idea but it does not work on its own. Go to Venezuela or Cuba and see it for yourself.

I literally had to leave my country at an early age bcs of how fucked my country was bcs of socialism, and moved so much around, left friends and family behind. I havent seen my dad in years, have to congratulate him in birthdays or christmas through a fucking screen, I cant enjoy my grandparents,I cant hug my grandma, I cant see my sister. Fuck comunism, idc about what good aspects u have to tell me about it.

I like u dude, but I just difer greatly on this, and I do bcs of I have experience with it, the fact that these two ideals took one of the biggest potences in the american continent and turn it into one of the biggest shitholes in the world (eeven the ones that are in WAR), in less than 10 yrs, should speak volumes.

so sorry to hear that m8, but I think venezuela is a mess now because they didnt give a shit about debt and inflation also because corporates and corporations run away from there (as usual) but the best option for that would be not letting them do that preferably by spreading socialism in multiple countries multaineously so they wont run away anywhere