Aryan blood was makes Turks stronger

[Dianatomia]

I don't want to continue arguing with you because you're trying to resemble Turks as inferior barbarians which destroyed a decent civilization, in a very disrespectful way. No, just no. Christianity destroyed Anatolian hellenic civilization, in very simple words. Don't search your enemy in Turks or other religions. Look inside, if you have bravery and honor.

Chinese wall ? Do you know anything about Chinese expansion ? Do you know where were original homelands of Turkic (And Mongolian) nomads? Inside or outside of that "Wall" ?

Do you know Turks had the best war gear at the time ? Do you know about iron and other metal works of them ? NO. Because, "how can barbarian pirates have technology?!?"

You seem to be derailing the topic. I am giving an explanation as to what made Turkic central Asian tribes conquered vast territories. The decline of the Hellenic civilization is another issue altogether.
So what about the Turkish gear? The Macedonians also had state of the art gear and excellent fighting skills, but it didn't make them culturally superior to the Athenians.

[Hektor12]

You seem to be derailing the topic. I am giving an explanation as to what made Turkic central Asian tribes conquered vast territories. The decline of the Hellenic civilization is another issue altogether.
So what about the Turkish gear? The Macedonians also had state of the art gear and excellent fighting skills, but it didn't make them culturally superior to the Athenians.

No, you wanted to resemble Turks as "nomadic pirates" and no, they were not. They didn't have theatres and sex in anus but they had their culture and civilization, they had their own religion which is a type of shamanism, and they were very good at "nomadic lifestyle". For example; many simple, lightweight, and useful food invented by them: Yogurt, doner kebab, manti, etc.

Have you ever seen a diplomatic paper or mail of that age in your life ? I believe never. You have no idea about what causes war, why people die and kill...

Very far from being only "nomadic pirates", i can accept such opinion like "Turks were slightly inferior civilization". But we still did not wipe out Greek people from our land, when we were the most powerful and there was no power to stop us. We allowed Greeks to live freely, "as free as it can be for different religion" and they survived in very good condition, as good as they can start a revolt against the empire in late history.

If you want to use history to spread your ideal of "Christianity and Greek racial superiorities" this is not the place. Go to a greek nationalistic forum and do that there.

[TheOldNorth]

Don’t underestimate mongoloids, the Japanese, Chinese, and mongols have put up strong fights against their caucasoid adversaries. Native Americans didn’t get decimated because of weakness but not being immune to old world diseases, something you can’t really blame them for as any race in that position may be succumbed to unfamiliar plagues, as happened to Europe to a lesser extent during the Black Plague

[Dianatomia]

Very far from being only "nomadic pirates", i can accept such opinion like "Turks were slightly inferior civilization". But we still did not wipe out Greek people from our land, when we were the most powerful and there was no power to stop us. We allowed Greeks to live freely, "as free as it can be for different religion" and they survived in very good condition, as good as they can start a revolt against the empire in late history.

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No buddy. The people they conquered were culturally superior at that point of time. Not just slightly. The fact that you can not comprehend that as a modern Turk is stemming from the argument of incredulity. The Graeco-Romans had a pre-history of thousands of years. They had a vast literary tradition, build large cities, roman law, advanced political and tax system, shipping, roads, irrigation system etc. etc. The Turks, of say 11th century A.D. were living in Yurts (tents). Almost none of them could read and write. They may had a respectable patriarchal system, and with time also acquired Persian, Arab and Greek traditions. The elites often intermixed with them as well. So they were definitely being enriched culturally, but the Turcomans were culturally nowhere near the level compared to the people they conquered. This is attested by many medieval sources.

And yes, I did use the word piracy. There is an element of piracy in Turkish history. They didn't simply conquer an area to gain control for trade as the Romans or the British did. They literally took over other peoples cities and made it their own. Also converted many of their religious temples into their own. But due to Islamic law non muslim subjects could live as second rate citizens. With time, this puts some social pressure in order for the subjects to convert to Islam. This is exactly what happened. The end result of this is called modern Turks.

[Hektor12]

The Graeco-Romans had a pre-history of thousands of years.

Yee, and Turks suddenly appeared in the middle of history to destroy magnificent Hellenic civilization, right ? They don't have any history, they are uruk-hais created by Saruman from fallen elves ? Bruv... I can understand your carelessness about non-Greek history but i can understand why you talk about things that you don't know and make overstatements.

they conquered were culturally superior at that point of time. Not just slightly

No, it was just a minor difference. Roman civ in Anatolia was already decayed while Turks entering and it was only a shadow of the magnificent Hellenic antiquity. You're taking the peak point of Helleic civ and the bottom point of Turkic civ and comparing them; and finding huge superiority. This is not fair. Turks were not pirates on horses, There were many states and empires from eastern asia to Anatolia. And i reallly don't undesrtand why you deny that Seljuk Empire, which completed the conquer of Anatolia. Seljuks were not "extremely" inferior to Byzantine or anything else.

They had a vast literary tradition

https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=45987

build large cities

The capital occupied at least 32 square kilometers.[1] The ruins of the palace or temple complex laying at coordinates 47.431288°N 102.659349°E — which include the 10-meter-high double clay walls, 4 meters apart, 14 watch towers, 8 on the Southern side and 6 on the Northern side, two main entrances, one on East side and other on West side, a 12-meter citadel in the southeast corner and a 14-meter-high stupa in the center — clearly indicate that Ordu Baliq or Urgin Balyq Old Turkic: ����������������‎ [2] was a large, affluent town.

An ambassador from the Samanid Empire, Tamim ibn Bahr, visited Ordu Baliq in 821 CE and left the only written account of the city. He traveled through uninhabited steppes until arriving in the vicinity of the Uighur capital. He described Ordu-Baliq as a great town, "rich in agriculture and surrounded by rustaqs (villages) full of cultivation lying close together. The town had twelve iron gates of huge size. The town was populous and thickly crowded and had markets and various trades."[4] He reported that amongst the townspeople, Manichaeism prevailed.

The most striking detail of his description is the golden yurt or tent on top of the citadel where the khagan held court.[5]

He says that from (a distance of) five farsakhs before he arrived in the town (of the khaqan) he caught sight of a tent belonging to the king, (made) of gold. (It stands) on the flat top (sath) of his castle and can hold (tasa') 100 men.

— Tamim b. Bahr al-Muttawwi'i, translation by Minorsky[5]
The golden tent was considered the heart of the Uyghur power, gold being the symbol of imperial rule.[6] The presence of a golden tent is confirmed in Chinese historical accounts where the Kirghiz khan was said to have vowed to seize the Uyghurs' golden tent.[7]

roman law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yassa

https://www.amazon.com.tr/T%C3%BCrk-.../dp/6052290064

advanced political and tax system


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurultai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(title)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatun

shipping, roads

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

irrigation system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan_water_system

The Turks, of say 11th century A.D. were living in Yurts (tents). Almost none of them could read and write.

Spoiler!

10th century
Year Event
914 Treaty of 914 was a peace treaty concluded between Pechenegs and a prince of Rus principality Igor
924 Mongols of Khitan drive Kyrgyz out of Mongolia. Some Kyrgyz return to Yenisei region and some flee to present day Kyrgyzstan.
932 Saltuk Buğra Khan of Karakhanids embrace Islam. The first Turkic monarch to do so.
940 Byzantine-Kievan Rus' alliance against Khazars. Khazar Khannate loses Crimea.
941 Gansu state (Sari Uyghurs) becomes vassal of China.
960 Khazar Correspondence between Hasdai ibn Shaprut (of Córdoba) and Khagan Joseph of Khazars.
963 Alp Tigin a Turkic general establishes Ghaznavids as a vassal state of Samanids
969 Rus-Kyiv capture Khazar capital Atil.
977 Under Sebük Tekin Ghaznavids become a Muslim sultanate (empire).
985 A big Turkic tribe (Kinik) under the leadership of Seljuk migrates from Khazar (Oguz ?) territory to suburbs of the city Jend (which is now in South Kazakhstan).
999 Dissolution of Oguz confederation by Kipchaks.
11th century
Year Event
1016 Khazar Kaganate dissolves under pressure from Rus-Kyiv and Kipchaks.
1037 Rus-Kyiv defeat Pechenegs.
1038 Seljuk's grandsons Tugrul and Chaghri conquer the historical city of Merv in present-day Turkmenistan and declare independence. Beginning of the Great Seljuk Empire.
1040 Tugrul and Chagri of Seljuk Turks defeat a Ghaznavid army at the battle of Dandanaqan and begin to settle in eastern Persia.
1042 Civil war in Karakhanid teriitory. East and west Karakhanids.
1048 Ibrahim Yinal (Tugrul's uterine brother) of Seljuk Turks defeat a Byzantine-Sakartvelobantustan army at Battle of Pasinler (also called battle of Kapetrou). Turks in East Anatolia.
1050 Pechenegs raid Byzantine territories.
1055 After a series of victories Tughrul is declared sultan (of Great Seljuk Sultanate) by the caliph.
1065 Uzes paid hommage to Byzantine Empire
1071 Alp Arslan of Seljuk Turks defeat Romanos Diogenes of Byzantine in the battle of Manzikert.
1072 Death of Alp Arslan. Malik Shah becomes the sultan.
1072 Danishmend Gazi who is the hero of epic tales Danishmendname founds a principality around Sivas, central Anatolia (i.e., Asiatic side of present Turkey).
1072 Dīwān Lughāt al-Turk was written by Mahmud al-Kashgari of Karakhanids to be presented to Abbasid Caliphate.
1077 Süleyman I (a cousin of Melik Shah) founds a state in what is now west Turkey. Although a vassal of Great Seljuk Empire it soon becomes totally independent. (Seljuks of Rum, Seljuk Sultanate of Rum, Sultanate of Rum, Seljuks of Turkey, Seljuks of Anatolia, Sultanate of Iconium are among the many names used for this state)
1077 Emergence of Khwarezm dynasty as a vassal of Great Seljuk Empire.
1081 Tzachas of Smyrna founds a beylik (principality) in İzmir, Western Anatolia and emerges as the first sea power in Turkish history.
1085 Tutush I, Malik Shah's brother founds a short lived principality in Syria.
1089 Hungarians defeat the Kipchaks.
1091 Kipchacks defeat the Pechenegs.
1093 Kipchacks defeat Sviatopolk II of Kyivian Rus in the Battle of the Stugna River,
1096 Kılıç Arslan I of Seljuks defeats People's Crusade.
1097 During First Crusade Crusades defeat Seljuks at the Battle of Dorylaeum. Capital İznik captured by Crusades (New capital Konya)

They didn't simply conquer an area to gain control for trade as the Romans or the British did. They literally took over other peoples cities and made it their own.

Yes, we know nothing about Roman history and we even don't know what things USA, CAN, ZA, AU, NZ are. British only live in their islands, they did not capture some other people's land, never. Only barbarian Turk do such bad things. So Greeks also threw into Greece by God Zeus.

But due to Islamic law non muslim subjects could live as second rate citizens. With time, this puts some social pressure in order for the subjects to convert to Islam. This is exactly what happened. The end result of this is called modern Turks.

Only objective and non Greek-biased part of your comment. Yes, different religions make life hard. Imagine people had no religions at all and everyone enjoyed each other ?

[Marmara]

Turkic nomads were indeed uncivilized and barbaric compared to sedentary civilizations; however, this was the state of all people at some point. Turks remained nomadic for two reasons: first is that it's very difficult to establish permanent settlements in the steppes. Secondly, as Tonyukuk says to Bilge Khagan, a Göktürk Khagan who wanted to settle down, Turks were numerically inferior to great sedentary civilizations, and settling down would end up with Turks getting vassalized by one of great civs they neighbour. This is also exactly what happened to Uyghur Khaganate, a great Turkic sedentary civilization with impressive city planning and advanced engineering skills, got vassalized by the Tang dynasty.

Romans or Ancient Greeks were no less pirates than Turks, they looted the lands and wealth of other people just as Turks or anyone else, this was the reality of the time.

[Edgü]

Turkic nomads were indeed uncivilized and barbaric compared to sedentary civilizations; however, this was the state of all people at some point. Turks remained nomadic for two reasons: first is that it's very difficult to establish permanent settlements in the steppes. Secondly, as Tonyukuk says to Bilge Khagan, a Göktürk Khagan who wanted to settle down, Turks were numerically inferior to great sedentary civilizations, and settling down would end up with Turks getting vassalized by one of great civs they neighbour. This is also exactly what happened to Uyghur Khaganate, a great Turkic sedentary civilization with impressive city planning and advanced engineering skills, got vassalized by the Tang dynasty.

Romans or Ancient Greeks were no less pirates than Turks, they looted the lands and wealth of other people just as Turks or anyone else, this was the reality of the time.

Batılılar pantalon giymiyordu nasıl medeni değiliz biz

[Marmara]

Batılılar pantalon giymiyordu nasıl medeni değiliz biz

Akdenizliler giymiyordu, cermenler giyiyordu. Pantalon dediğin zaten orjinalde soğuk iklimler için üretilmiş bir kıyafet.

[Babak]

Idk about aryan, but the Turko-Iranian empires were some of the most powerful empires in the world.

[Kyp]

Seljuks were great builders. They were not barbaric.