How common are pseudo-Native American phenotypes in Central Asia? Where do these looks come from?

[Maguzanci]

I have been noticing this pseudo-Amerindian (mostly as Great Plains/Appalachian, Andean and probably Patagonian/Fuegid) phenotypes among some Central Asians. And I feel there is more overlap between them and NE Asians or SE Asians tbh (if we are not counting the Amazonian or Southern Mexican/Central American or a few other Latin American Native groups).

But what causes these overlap? Shared Siberian and ANE ancestry and the fact that Iranic or Indo-European admixture in Central Asians can mirror the NW Euro/Iberian admix in many Natives?

In fact in TA, another user hypothesized that you can create an Amerindian or an Indomestizo (Latino of predominantly Native descent) phenotype by mixing Iranid and Tungid/Sibirid together: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...merindian-look

Kazakh girl from Western Mongolia. Looks Native American not sure if more North or South American.


Kyrgyz old lady from Wakhan corridor, Far Northeastern Afghanistan. Her nose seems common among Northern Natives and Andeans.


Professional dancer from Uzbekistan in this thread. Looks Northern Amerindian-maybe Athabaskan or Plain/Appalachian Indian type: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...er-t77864.html


Ethnic Hazara guy from Afghanistan. Looks Andean or Chilean Native American.


MMA fighter from Kazakhstan. According to Latino members in another forum: he looks Peruvian or Bolivian: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ov-t81052.html
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ative-American



Tuvan shaman from Southern Siberia. Looks Silvid/Northern Native, Andean or Chilean according to some Latino members: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...igenous-shaman
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...an-t78355.html


Ethnic Hazara footballer from Afghanistan. Can easily pass as a Indomestizo/predominantly Amerindian all over Latin America https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...mbia-Venezuela


Movie director from Saudi Arabia. Apparently she is of Bukharan/Uzbek descent (there are a lot Saudi Arabians of foreign origin probably from Muslim pilgrims to Mecca and settled there). Can easily pass as a Peruvian/Bolivian Amerindian with some Euro blood:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...movie-director
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ur-t81799.html




Uighur guy who is looking at the camera. Pic is from Hotan, Xinjiang. I have seen pics of Mexican Amerindians who resemble him. Also his tanned skin makes the pseudo-Native look even more clear


Hazara painter and artist from Afghanistan. Can pass as Northern Amerindian imo:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Latin-America
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...st-t78656.html


Beauty pageant and model from Kazakhstan. Can pass among some Northern Amerindians from Canada, US and maybe as Na-Dene speaker like Navajo: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...r--t51228.html

[Kivan]

I think Central Asians who look Amerindian are quite atypical and vice-versa.
Both groups have a distinct look overall.

[Maguzanci]

I think Central Asians who look Amerindian are quite atypical and vice-versa.
Both groups have a distinct look overall.

Where do you think the overlap between some of them comes from? Shared East Eurasian and ANE ancestry? Along with Iranic or Indo-European ancestry can act similar to the Iberian admixture?

Would you say if they overlap, its more with some Northern Amerindians and some Andeans, Patagonians?

[Alenka]

Because of the shared ANE and Mongoloid component. Also because of the shared Caucasoid admix, some degree of which isnt rare among predominantly Amerindian individuals. Therefore I think some similarity is nothing surprising.

What's more mysterious is some Castizo or even Mestizo looking Balkanites.
Slovene example who probably would fit in Mexico like a glove:

Spoiler!

[Celto-Germanic]

Hazaras have high Q haplogroup. I think it is ANE admixture. Actually I was going to make a thread about some Native American eye folds and the Nordic eye fold and how they're both very similar to each other and also found in siberians like the Ket, which I think might be an ANE trait



^ Genetically closest to Mal'ta Buret'

I think Central Asians who look Amerindian are quite atypical and vice-versa.
Both groups have a distinct look overall.

Agreed

[Kivan]

Where do you think the overlap between some of them comes from? Shared East Eurasian and ANE ancestry? Along with Iranic or Indo-European ancestry can act similar to the Iberian admixture?

Exact.

Would you say if they overlap, its more with some Northern Amerindians and some Andeans, Patagonians?

Northern America ones.

[SamuelPomper]

ANE would have been the common genetic make up for central asian, uralic, eastern european and possibly eastern siberian populations if they weren't mixing with the more mongoloid C haplogroup carriers or nearby indigenous tribes, just like yamna did. And it would evolve into a more caucasoid phenotype.

Yes you got it, it's from their ANE genetic admix, most of the part.

[Celto-Germanic]

Native Americans are a combination of proto europoids and paleosiberians



https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0605133524.htm

[Celto-Germanic]

ANE would have been the common genetic make up for central asian, uralic, eastern european and possibly eastern siberian populations if they weren't mixing with the more mongoloid C haplogroup carriers or nearby indigenous tribes, just like yamna did. And it would evolve into a more caucasoid phenotype.

Yes you got it, it's from their ANE genetic admix, most of the part.

Caucasoids predated ANE in Siberia

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0605133524.htm

[SamuelPomper]

Caucasoids predated ANE in Siberia

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0605133524.htm

Of course they did, I don't even consider ANE fully caucasoid, more like 25% mong or 10%, it's logic there was caucasoid influence in siberia long before. Otherwise, from where would those caucasoid features come from?

And I also think the mongoloids they mixed with were unreduced baikal types, with long rugged faces. This type was found in korea/manchuria even in 500 BC.