To the haters of R1: he who laughs last, laughs best :-D

[Petalpusher]

Wow, I have a fascinating theory now on why R1b is so prevalent in Western Europe! Could it be because some old pandemic wiped off men carrying other Y haplogroups?!

The real pandemic was some punks coming in chariots to kill everybody.

R1b taking your wimminz, lands and harvests in exchange of some harcore tourista, since 14 000 BC! (pretty sure they wiped out C too, on some intelligence runs).

Meanwhile R1a following behind for scraps.

[Rethel]

Meanwhile R1a following behind for scraps.

Do you suggest, that Cordeds came after Bellbeakers cleand the land?

In Germany, Poland and Scandinavia it was rather otherwise. Bellbeakers and Celts came after Cordeds.

[Petalpusher]

Do you suggest, that Cordeds came after Bellbeakers cleand the land?

In Germany, Poland and Scandinavia it was rather otherwise. Bellbeakers and Celts came after Cordeds.

Before that i meant. In Europe yeah they were already "together".

[Jaromir]

yes, Norb a perfect exemplar of R1a survivour in the British Isles, West Europe was R1a land, then the Gengis Khans came
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Mongol-empire
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-was-R1b-M343
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Khan-C2-or-R1b

[Rethel]

Before that i meant. In Europe yeah they were already "together".

Ok, but before that, they lived side by side in Eastern Europe since ever. Even in the (probably) later taken
second, western, half of eastern Europe, can't be drawn a line, between earlier R1b and later R1a, especially,
that (disregarding the false datation) the oldest R1a findings seem to be earlier than R1b. R1b was just much
more common, than R1a, which demografically looked like a subclade of R1b among many variation of this last
one. It is even funny, when R1b guys try to make this "royal" hg among early Indoeuropeans, as R1b was just
the subclade of the majority of people, i.e. commoners. If Z93 wouldn't expand, R1a would be still minor clade.

[zebruh]

Sorry r1bs but all early european civilzation is thanks to e1b /J2 bros and J-L283.
R1bs just copied us and outnumbered us.

[Universe]

I'm not sure if people with haplo R will "laugh last".
It seems European or majority white countries have highest death rates: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (deaths / 1million)

[Roy]

That's hardly a new theory. It's known that the Neolithic populations of Western Europe collapsed before R1b conquered it, much in the same way that the populations of the Americas and Australia collapsed before they ever caught sight of an R1b man.

God's chosen Haplogroup, clearing its path before it.

I have known about the collapse of the Neolithic populations but I have never read about that possible link with some low disease prevalence and that Y-connection. I have read about your MTDNA-group providing some resistance or susceptibility to various diseases though.