Are Kurds essentially just nomadic Persians?

[Zoro]

What they should have done IMO is settled the Kurds and other nomadic tribes down and Persianized them. The other mistake was making Shiism the dominant religion in Iran(which severed the connection between them and Sunni Tajiks). If they didnt do that then Iran could stretch from what is now central Turkey all the way till Tajikistan. Massive, unbeatable country and potentially a superpower by now.

How do you propose 44 million Persians could settle and persianize 8 million mountainous warrior kurds ( by govt estimate they’re more likely 12 million) . Heck even Kurdish women fight like their Parthian/Scythian ancestors (I don’t know any other ethnicities in the area whose women also fight like kurds/Parthians/Scythians)

If Persian rulers were really smart they could have had an Iran that stretched from Turkey to Tajikistan by having a model like the United States where each ethnicity has its own state and is represented in the central government

Iran didn’t lose Afghanistan because of Shite-Sunni. They lost it because the last Safavid was a total moron who didn’t care about Afghans respect or needs and the idiot Georgian George aka Gurgin Khan who was appointed governor of kandahar who abused and disrespected afghans. Afghans had no problems under the more reasonable previous Safavids

[Trouble]

How do you propose 44 million Persians could settle and persianize 8 million mountainous warrior kurds ( by govt estimate they’re more likely 12 million) . Heck even Kurdish women fight like their Parthian/Scythian ancestors (I don’t know any other ethnicities in the area whose women also fight like kurds/Parthians/Scythians)

If Persian rulers were really smart they could have had an Iran that stretched from Turkey to Tajikistan by having a model like the United States where each ethnicity has its own state and is represented in the central government

Iran didn’t lose Afghanistan because of Shite-Sunni. They lost it because the last Safavid was a total moron who didn’t care about Afghans respect or needs and the idiot Georgian George aka Gurgin Khan who was appointed governor of kandahar who abused and disrespected afghans. Afghans had no problems under the more reasonable previous Safavids

Persians also live in mountainous areas. If they can become settled with large urban centers there is no reason the Kurds cannot. Oghuz Turks went to Western Asia and Turkified diverse people from Greeks to Caucasians and former Iranic speakers. No reason that Persians cannot do that with an ethnicity that is highly similar to their own with a similar language.

Modern Iran already sort of is like a federation with Azeris, Kurds, Arabs, Lurs, and various other groups that exist alongside Persians. But a singular ethnic identity and language could strengthen Iran and they could absorb the Tajiks of central Asia(who already speak Persian) and Kurds of West Asia(who speak a similar language).

[Ascended]

Kurd is to Iranian, what "Bedouin" is to Arabian...Now you know

It's a lifestyle that slowly evolved into a distinct ethnonym.

[Trouble]

Kurd is to Iranian, what "Bedouin" is to Arabian...Now you know

It's a lifestyle that slowly evolved into a distinct ethnonym.

Thing is that bedouins and Arabians speak the same language. Kurds speak a different language to Persians, Persians speak a SW Iranian language while Kurdish is NW Iranian. On second thought, I think that Lurs/Bakhtiari are better termed nomadic Persians, while Kurds are a sister group.

Nevertheless they should be Persianized swiftly.

[Ascended]

Thing is that bedouins and Arabians speak the same language. Kurds speak a different language to Persians, Persians speak a SW Iranian language while Kurdish is NW Iranian. On second thought, I think that Lurs/Bakhtiari are better termed nomadic Persians, while Kurds are a sister group.

Nevertheless they should be Persianized swiftly.

Well I am almost certain a Bedouin from Oman will have just as hard a time understanding a Bedouin from Jordan as a Kurd does a Persian. Language vs-dialect designations change every 5-10 years. And with the current anti-Arabian campaign in academia, you will see Arabian dialects magically transform into distinct languages soon (Nejdi/Hashemite/Hijazi/Wadi Rum etc) and "educated" Arabs will just eat it up, since theyre, like other mena and sw asians are mentally colonized.

[Trouble]

Well I am almost certain a Bedouin from Oman will have just as hard a time understanding a Bedouin from Jordan as a Kurd does a Persian. Language vs-dialect designations change every 5-10 years. And with the current anti-Arabian campaign in academia, you will see Arabian dialects magically transform into distinct languages soon (Nejdi/Hashemite/Hijazi/Wadi Rum etc) and "educated" Arabs will just eat it up, since theyre, like other mena and sw asians are mentally colonized.

That is not true. Mashreq Arabic dialects are mutually intelligible with other Mashreq ones, Maghrebi Arabic dialects are mutually intelligible with Maghrebi ones and to some extent Maghrebi and Mashreqi dialects are mutually intelligible with each other.

Kurdish doesn't even sound like Persian. Hell, Kurdish isn't even a language but multiple languages(Sorani, Kurmanji, Pehlewani) which may not even be mutually intelligible to each other, let alone Persian.

[Kyp]

Thing is that bedouins and Arabians speak the same language. Kurds speak a different language to Persians, Persians speak a SW Iranian language while Kurdish is NW Iranian. On second thought, I think that Lurs/Bakhtiari are better termed nomadic Persians, while Kurds are a sister group.

Nevertheless they should be Persianized swiftly.

Keep in mind that northern rural regions had tons of NW-Iranian languages (Tati, Semnani etc..) that were more related to the Caspian and Kurdish languages than to Persian just recently. They all are considered Persian areas now.

[Ascended]

That is not true. Mashreq Arabic dialects are mutually intelligible with other Mashreq ones, Maghrebi Arabic dialects are mutually intelligible with Maghrebi ones and to some extent Maghrebi and Mashreqi dialects are mutually intelligible with each other.

Kurdish doesn't even sound like Persian. Hell, Kurdish isn't even a language but multiple languages(Sorani, Kurmanji, Pehlewani) which may not even be mutually intelligible to each other, let alone Persian.

It all falls under a real, historical blanket term called AJAM...dont listen to these western academics

[Ascended]

That is not true. Mashreq Arabic dialects are mutually intelligible with other Mashreq ones, Maghrebi Arabic dialects are mutually intelligible with Maghrebi ones and to some extent Maghrebi and Mashreqi dialects are mutually intelligible with each other.

Kurdish doesn't even sound like Persian. Hell, Kurdish isn't even a language but multiple languages(Sorani, Kurmanji, Pehlewani) which may not even be mutually intelligible to each other, let alone Persian.

And Mashreq dialects arent fully intelligible. A Lebanese will never be comfortable speaking to Yemenis...they will need to use standard modern "AL Jazeera news Arabic" , or even quranic fus'ha classical arabic to communicate.

[Trouble]

Keep in mind that northern rural regions had tons of NW-Iranian languages (Tati, Semnani etc..) that were more related to the Caspian and Kurdish languages than to Persian.

Do Mazandaranis, Gilakis, Tatis, Talyshi, etc. identify as Persians?