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    Default SSA ancestry in Southern Europeans

    https://www.livescience.com/37092-so...can-genes.html

    This article says: "The team found that for Southwestern Europeans (those from Italy, Spain and Greece), between 4 and 20 percent of their genomes came from North Africa, compared to less than 2 percent in Southeastern Europe." It's ok, routes of trans-Mediterranean migration, Roman Empire, etc.

    And then: "The study also found that the apparent sub-Saharan ancestry in these populations was actually the result of North African lineage."

    I saw a few MyHeritage DNA results from Southern Europeans and isn't very uncommon find "Nigeria" in some results.

    Is it due to Trans-Saharan routes or slavery?

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    This is an example of an Italian DNA results (more ethnicities) that I found on You Tube.

    Why Nigerian? They are very specific. I reode that the miles based distance from Nigeria to Italy is 2283.9 miles. Did they do it by camel?

    And why not Chad, Guinea, Cameroon, Congo? Always it says Nigeria.

    A Portuguese result says 2.9%:

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    I read some articles and it's very complex and difficult to understand. This article helped me to elucidate it, but I don't found an answer yet.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3337428/

    It can goes up to 22% in some places.
    This other one sugests that it was an old process.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/5201225

    I don't know these articles's results score on MyHeritage.
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    Interesting to think about it. I think it's possible, usually I think that DNA tests can't mistake Sub Saharan ancestry with other ancestries, even if it's Myheritage.

    I have a paternal haplogroup (Y-DNA), which originates from Africa and it's uncommon among Hungarians, but I don't expect to score SSA on 23andme. Maybe, maybe just 0.1% as a trace result, but I don't really think that's possible either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris596 View Post
    Interesting to think about it. I think it's possible, usually I think that DNA tests can't mistake Sub Saharan ancestry with other ancestries, even if it's Myheritage.

    I have a paternal haplogroup (Y-DNA), which originates from Africa and it's uncommon among Hungarians, but I don't expect to score SSA on 23andme. Maybe, maybe just 0.1% as a trace result, but I don't really think that's possible either.

    Ev13 has been in Europe since at least the Neolithic, all that SAA (if there was any to begin with) has been out bred a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    Ev13 has been in Europe since at least the Neolithic, all that SAA (if there was any to begin with) has been out bred a long time ago.
    I've seen some Southeast Europeans on Reddit who scored 0.1% SSA as a trace result.

    There was even a Hungarian guy who scored 0.1% Senegambian or something like that on 23andme. It was posted like 2 days ago. I wanted to check again but the post was deleted... If it was true, I don't think 23andme would have misinterpreted that SSA trace ancestry, or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris596 View Post
    I've seen some Southeast Europeans on Reddit who scored 0.1% SSA as a trace result.

    There was even a Hungarian guy who scored 0.1% Senegambian or something like that on 23andme. It was posted like 2 days ago. I wanted to check again but the post was deleted... If it was true, I don't think 23andme would have misinterpreted that SSA trace ancestry, or?
    I don't trust any <1% percentage on 23andme, even <1.5%. When I see those redditors going "oh wow 0.2% Manchurian I had no idea" I feel like they can barely cross a street.
    Just a 26.6% European individual

    G25 "26.6% Austrian:Austria6 + 73.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0096"
    EU TEST 86.9% RO + 13.1% West_&_Central_German @ 4.98
    K13 56.9% Tu(ran)scan + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 4.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris596 View Post
    I've seen some Southeast Europeans on Reddit who scored 0.1% SSA as a trace result.

    There was even a Hungarian guy who scored 0.1% Senegambian or something like that on 23andme. It was posted like 2 days ago. I wanted to check again but the post was deleted... If it was true, I don't think 23andme would have misinterpreted that SSA trace ancestry, or?

    I'm literally African and on 23andme 0% SSA, which doesn't make sense when you see an Eastern European with SSA trace ancestry while eastern Europeans are further removed from SSA peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow View Post
    I don't trust any <1% percentage on 23andme, even <1.5%. When I see those redditors going "oh wow 0.2% Manchurian I had no idea" I feel like they can barely cross a street.
    Well , there is confidence level on 23andme, if this 1% can show up with 90% confidence it is real, but if not, there is chance it is not real and false positive
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    I think it is related to recent slavery too. No by North African pathway: "As for eastern Europe, it seems that only African children's traffic from Turkey to Russia at the end of seventeenth century might have played the leading role in African slave trade.7 African children were bought on the Ottoman markets by Russian traders who brought them to Russia. It is impossible to present any detailed data as no research has ever been made to determine the exact amount."
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg200870
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