Am i closer to subsaharan africans if i am southern?

[Synapsid]

Is this actually true? And to any substantial degree? African physiological features have much more in common with asians than europeans.

Yes, because of basal Eurasians. Neolithic farmers from the Near East had introduced basal Eurasian into the European continent and considering that Southern Euros are more Neolithic admix compared to N. Euros, they may shift closer to SSA populations compared to Northern euros while both N. euros and S. Euros shift closer to SSA populations compared to east Asians/Pre-Columbian Americans.

[Synapsid]

Is this actually true? And to any substantial degree? African physiological features have much more in common with asians than europeans.

Also SSA have similar some facial features with Asians, but not body physics IMO. Euros and Africans got far more similarities in body plan than either do with Asians

[Token]

Yes, because of basal Eurasians. Neolithic farmers from the Near East had introduced basal Eurasian into the European continent and considering that Southern Euros are more Neolithic admix compared to N. Euros, they may shift closer to SSA populations compared to Northern euros while both N. euros and S. Euros shift closer to SSA populations compared to east Asians/Pre-Columbian Americans.

It is true that Europeans are closer to SSA than East Asians are, but it is not true at all that Europeans are closer to SSA than to East Asians. PCA tools such as G25, made to give more resolution to recent genetic drift, can be very misleading in these comparisons. Formal tools such as TreeMix shows Europeans forming a clade with East Asians to the exclusion of all Africans.

[Synapsid]

It is true that Europeans are closer to SSA than East Asians are, but it is not true at all that Europeans are closer to SSA than to East Asians. PCA tools such as G25, made to give more resolution to recent genetic drift, can be very misleading in these comparisons. Formal tools such as TreeMix shows Europeans forming a clade with East Asians to the exclusion of all Africans.

Europeans forms a stem with East Asians to the exclusion of Africans, yes, but my main point was that basal Eurasians caused some shift in European affinity to SSA compared to other Crown Eurasians like E. Asians/Americans/Oceanians. I meant shift not that they are closer to SSA than Asians (which is ridiculous considering Euros are still mostly crown Eurasians)

[Token]

Europeans forms a stem with East Asians to the exclusion of Africans, yes, but my main point was that basal Eurasians caused some shift in European affinity to SSA compared to other Crown Eurasians like E. Asians/Americans/Oceanians. I meant shift not that they are closer to SSA than Asians (which is ridiculous considering Euros are still mostly crown Eurasians)

Yeah, i'd even argue that we should see Basal Eurasian as still African since it appears to have been at the very root of the tree, certainly sharing more drift with Mota than with Crowns. I also doubt this Neanderthal-diluting ancestry in Eurasians is solely from a monolithic and stationary Basal Eurasian group, there were continuous Out of Africa movements following the first thrust of the would-be Crown Eurasians. The other way around too, as can be seen in Iberomaurusians and later in West Africans.

[Synapsid]

Yeah, i'd even argue that we should see Basal Eurasian as still African since it appears to have been at the very root of the tree, certainly sharing more drift with Mota than with Crowns. I also doubt this Neanderthal-diluting ancestry in Eurasians is solely from a monolithic and stationary Basal Eurasian group, there were continuous Out of Africa movements following the first thrust of the would-be Crown Eurasians. The other way around too, as can be seen in Iberomaurusians and later in West Africans.

Basal Eurasians share more drift with mota than Crowns? Wow that's new news to me. I thought that was the case for the Ancestral North African (ANA) in Iberomaurusians but not Basals.

[Bmack]

Yes, since basal eurasian it is said to have been more closer to "SSA" than the dark skinned WHG ppl. But remember they're only closer to the population before negroid morphology was developed. Not actual SSA ancestry, more like proto-SSA.

[chrisbab]

It is true that Europeans are closer to SSA than East Asians are, but it is not true at all that Europeans are closer to SSA than to East Asians. PCA tools such as G25, made to give more resolution to recent genetic drift, can be very misleading in these comparisons. Formal tools such as TreeMix shows Europeans forming a clade with East Asians to the exclusion of all Africans.

There is something that i don't understand. For exemple, armenians don't have mongoloid admixture, the yellow bar popping in the results and eastern europeans are a good 2 to 3% mongoloid.: https://forwhattheywereweare.files.w...e-caucasus.png

How in the pca plot, armenians, kurds and iraqi jews pull more toward east asians than eastern europeans if they do not have any mongoloid admixture. It is a more ancient admixture that they can't detect?