Why are inuits from greenland (in all dimensions) larger and more robust than sámi from scandinavia?

[Tong]

Saami are just mostly Caucasoid, and during the millennia when their linguistic ancestors lived further south, they acquired loanword strata from Proto-Indo-European, Proto-Indo-Aryan, Proto-Germanic, Proto-Finnic, and so on.

Caucasoids as a whole look gay and weak compared to Eskimos. But at least Saami don't have long Jew noses and narrow wog faces like this:


https://collections.si.edu/search/de...-ac-104-ref105


https://collections.si.edu/search/de...iris_sic_11573

There is an audio recording where an Inari Saami woman says that they thought that Norwegians look ugly because they have hooked noses (https://tarinoideninari.fi/aanitearkisto, I forgot which one).

Inuits have pretty long, sharp, beakish noses, just not bulbous.

[Komintasavalta]

Craniofacially their skulls and features are much more robust and less infantilized

More robust cheekbones, jaw, chin, larger face in general and dolichocephalic.

Isn't that the skull of a child? Saami are probably more robust than any IE white ethnicity in terms of how prominent their cheekbones are.

Chad Saami:





https://www.kuvakokoelmat.fi/pictures/view/KK15S_15


https://www.kuvakokoelmat.fi/pictures/view/KK5065_7.25B


https://www.kuvakokoelmat.fi/picture...HK19940408_190

Here's head width+length measurements from Heapost and Mark 2014 ("Soome-ugri rahvaste füüsine antropoloogia") (https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/sta...logia-fizyczna). The Latvian, Northwestern Russian, and Curonian measurements are from other sources. Finnish Saami are tied with Northwestern Russians and Erzya on rank 8 out of 30 - not bad because they are compared to some of the largest-headed ethnicities of Europe.

350.9 Estonian
350.5 Finland-Swede
348.9 Livonian
348.3 Finnish (Northeast)
348.3 Finnish
348 Latvian (Limbaži)
344.6 Volga Tatar
343.8 Northwest Russian (Ostrow)
343.8 Finnish Saami
343.8 Erzya
343.2 Bashkir
343.1 Komi-Zyrian
342.9 Mansi
342.6 Moksha
342.1 Mordvin (Teryukhan)
342.1 Khanty
341.8 Russian (Middle Volga)
341.7 Chuvash
341.6 Karelian
341.3 Vepsian
341.3 Izhorian
340.7 Kola Saami
340.7 Finnish (Ingrian)
340.2 Curonian
340.1 Udmurt (Besserman)
340 Mari
339.9 Mordvin (Karatai)
338.9 Komi-Permyak
338.8 Votic-Izhorian
338.4 Udmurt

[Komintasavalta]

These are all ethnicities that have approximately Saami-level Siberian ancestry, depending on which group of Saami you look at. Still none of them look that special on average. But then Saami are supposed to look like the most exaggerated Lappid plates, or otherwise they must be admixed with Norsemen.

I made the morphs by downloading all photos that were classified as being of each ethnicity from the website of Kunstkamera (http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT). Unlike Ratatoskr when he made his Lappid morphs, I didn't cherrypick the images based on the way the persons looked, but I simply used images which matched certain predefined criteria, such as that the image was not very low-quality, that the person in the image was facing the camera at a fairly direct angle, and that the I estimated the person in the image to be between approximately 15 and 50 years old.

[Tong]

Isn't that the skull of a child? Saami are probably more robust than any IE white ethnicity in terms of how prominent their cheekbones are.

Chad Saami:

These two guys look like nordid variants. Tall face and chin, nordid nose, long headed.

Fair post with the head size measurements though. It seems like that's the skull of an adult unless the anthropologist was being biased.

[Tong]

These are all ethnicities that have approximately Saami-level Siberian ancestry, depending on which group of Saami you look at. Still none of them look that special on average. But then Saami are supposed to look like the most exaggerated Lappid plates, or otherwise they must be admixed with Norsemen.

I made the morphs by downloading all photos that were classified as being of each ethnicity from the website of Kunstkamera (http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT). Unlike Ratatoskr when he made his Lappid morphs, I didn't cherrypick the images based on the way the persons looked, but I simply used images which matched certain predefined criteria, such as that the image was not very low-quality, that the person in the image was facing the camera at a fairly direct angle, and that the I estimated the person in the image to be between approximately 15 and 50 years old.

From what I've noted it seems like Samis/lappids adapted in a way inclined towards neoteny that volga finns didn't. I do think Ratatoskr's website is very flawed though

[Nunavut]

Interesting comparison.

[Harkonnen]

I've always said Finns look more Siberian than Saami do

[Harkonnen]

It perplexes me. Greenland is much less viable for large human life than northern Scandinavia is.

From https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/...ch.v62i3.17565

18 year old inuit greenlanders had a height of 5'8/173cm (same as most of southern europe) and 83.4kg/183lbs, while having an armspan of nearly 5'11.

In bodily proportions the Esths are seen to be frequently heavily built, with long bodies and the extremely high relative span of 107 or 108. It was this excessive development of the arms and shoulders, along with a wide mandible, that the Norwegians found most characteristic of the Finns who had affected the population of their southeastern provinces.

https://theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX10.htm

Saami's are weird outlier. At least some of them. But I suspect they might in fact be more broad bodied than what was accused.

[Zhulta]

why are some inuit having a side profile like this




compare to this flat face


i think those with less flat face and higher nose bridge look better.

I still dont know if Sami are mongoloid/sibirid people or caucasoid? Sure nowadays mostly mixed but what about these from historical photos? I dunno but i think modern sami look nothing like this?

[Harkonnen]

why are some inuit having a side profile like this

Ever heard a thing called variation. The flat face is more robust, that is has cheekbone that protrudes forward over eye socket area.