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    Quote Originally Posted by Maguzanci View Post
    Which one do you think is more analogous to Mongolians and the rest of East Asians: Saamis, Uralics to Euros or South Italians (Calabrians), Sicilians, Cretan and Greek Islanders to the rest of Euros?
    The first because Saamis and Uralics have unique components(Siberian) that is lacking in regular Europoids but South Italians/Greek Islanders have the same ancestry in different proportion. Just very ANF shifted versions of northern Euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    The first because Saamis and Uralics have unique components(Siberian) that is lacking in regular Europoids but South Italians/Greek Islanders have the same ancestry in different proportion. Just very ANF shifted versions of northern Euros.
    What unique components that Mongolians possessed that other East Asians don't have? Caucsoid (Steppe and ANE) admix and elevated Siberian?

    How about Sardinians to the rest of Euros? Or are Saamis, other Uralics are still more analogous to Mongolians?

    Also I believe South Italians/Greek Islanders have actual MENA (Levant and Iran N) that other Euros don't possess?

    But Siberian is much more divergent than MENA so maybe that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maguzanci View Post
    What unique components that Mongolians possessed that other East Asians don't have? Caucsoid (Steppe and ANE) admix and elevated Siberian?

    How about Sardinians to the rest of Euros? Or are Saamis, other Uralics are still more analogous to Mongolians?

    Also I believe South Italians/Greek Islanders have actual MENA (Levant and Iran N) that other Euros don't possess?

    But Siberian is much more divergent than MENA so maybe that's why.
    1. Yes
    2. Yes, im not an expert on Sardinians but they just lack steppe for the most part but still have WHG and ANF. They fit along the cline
    3. Yes, but minor. Doesnt make a big impact. Levant_N is basically a sister of ANF anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebruh View Post
    Europeans are more diverse
    culture and phenotype yes, but def. not genetically.
    Eurogenes K13: North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.395628

    G25 Ancient + Modern: Distance: 3.0211% / 0.03021062
    48.2 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA
    19.0 VK2020_Isle_Of_Man_VA
    16.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    10.0 French_Paris
    6.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoHazuki View Post
    culture and phenotype yes, but def. not genetically.
    Definitely more gentically and phenotypically. A southern european is more mixed than a northern european
    And in terms of phenotypes they range from psuedo asian to psuedo arabids and berberids, alantids medditerneans, and scando / germanic.
    Range of different color hair and eyes. From pale skin to brown tanned guido at a sicillian night club.

    This is all assuming we are talking about east asians. Like chinese, koreans, japanese, mongols siberian natives.

    Not central asians, or south asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebruh View Post
    Definitely more gentically and phenotypically. A southern european is more mixed than a northern european
    And in terms of phenotypes they range from psuedo asian to psuedo arabids and berberids, alantids medditerneans, and scando / germanic.
    Range of different color hair and eyes. From pale skin to brown tanned guido at a sicillian night club.

    This is all assuming we are talking about east asians. Like chinese, koreans, japanese, mongols siberian natives.

    Not central asians, or south asians.
    Totally wrong.
    You're still only talking about phenotypes, not genotypes. Southern Europeans aren't more "mixed" than others, they're genetically exactly the same with different proportions of the same groups (WHG, ENF, Steppe).

    Look at the distances between Asian groups, much greater than the ones between Europeans. England and Spain cover a huge portion of the European genome; Korea and Japan alone are the same distance as England and Spain. Now throw in Mongolia, South China, etc and you have a range of genetic diversity several times what's found with Europeans.
    Eurogenes K13: North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.395628

    G25 Ancient + Modern: Distance: 3.0211% / 0.03021062
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoHazuki View Post
    Totally wrong.
    You're still only talking about phenotypes, not genotypes. Southern Europeans aren't more "mixed" than others, they're genetically exactly the same with different proportions of the same groups (WHG, ENF, Steppe).

    Look at the distances between Asian groups, much greater than the ones between Europeans. England and Spain cover a huge portion of the European genome; Korea and Japan alone are the same distance as England and Spain. Now throw in Mongolia, South China, etc and you have a range of genetic diversity several times what's found with Europeans.
    G25 does not indicate a great distance between these east asian groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    G25 does not indicate a great distance between these east asian groups.
    Distance between Mongolia and Japan is around 18.5%
    Eurogenes K13: North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.395628

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoHazuki View Post
    Distance between Mongolia and Japan is around 18.5%
    Mongolia is an outlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoHazuki View Post
    Totally wrong.
    You're still only talking about phenotypes, not genotypes. Southern Europeans aren't more "mixed" than others, they're genetically exactly the same with different proportions of the same groups (WHG, ENF, Steppe).

    Look at the distances between Asian groups, much greater than the ones between Europeans. England and Spain cover a huge portion of the European genome; Korea and Japan alone are the same distance as England and Spain. Now throw in Mongolia, South China, etc and you have a range of genetic diversity several times what's found with Europeans.
    Except that you forget that china is like half of east asia and 99.9 percent is just han chinese, the same ethnic group. Also worlds biggest population

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