Muslims as ethno-cultural groups

[Trouble]

I have noticed that Arabs often ask me if I Muslim, while whites assume I am of Hindu origin(unless they are ignorant and think Im an Arab myself). Strange.

[Ascended]

I have noticed that Arabs often ask me if I Muslim, while whites assume I am of Hindu origin(unless they are ignorant and think Im an Arab myself). Strange.

I really believe Muslims develop a certain 'look' within each ethnic spectrum.

So within Horners, you can tell "Muslims" from "orthodox" (they are usually shorter, more robust, boxier heads)...same with Indians
Arab Christians are always lighter, more european approaching
etc..

[Trouble]

I really believe Muslims develop a certain 'look' within each ethnic spectrum.

So within Horners, you can tell "Muslims" from "orthodox" (they are usually shorter, more robust, boxier heads)...same with Indians
Arab Christians are always lighter, more european approaching
etc..

What Ive seen with Arab Muslims is they have a bigger range than Arab Christians. They have a lot of darker types but also a lot more Euro passing individuals, whereas the Christians and other minorities typically appear very distinctly West Asian, although lighter on average.

Hindus to me often just have a particular look. While there is a great deal of overlap, there are still some people that look distinctly Hindu and others distinctly Muslim. And Muslims from all over the subcontinent look quite similar.

[RogueState]

That is changing in the West and can only increase with time. Also it is not "very uncommon" as you say.

Where do you live? In UK, there are lots of Muslim men married to white women. Usually those are lower class women (smokers, drug users, alcoholics, low education level etc) since majority of Muslim men are also working class and often similar to those women in their behaviour and education level.

On the other hand in UK the number of Muslim women, particularly the better educated ones among them but others as well, marrying non-Muslim men is increasing all the time. They often show up on TV in various programs or news snippets, so it is obviously increasing with time as would be expected. However with some of these Muslim women the man they marry might perhaps "convert" to Islam but usually it is just a token gesture to appease any opposition from their parents or other family members.

Like this Pakistani woman I saw on TV the other day. She has a PhD from Cambridge University. She is married to a white British man (Dougie Smith) seen below who owns a company that organises sex parties.



She works in UK government :

Munira Mirza, the wife of Dougie Smith – the brains behind the riotous Fever Parties and one of Dominic Cummings
’‘weirdo and misfits’ recruited to the Conservative government – will lead the government enquiry into racism.

DougieSmith is not remotely embarrassed about his sex parties and argued that there's no reason why he or the Tories should be. Smith has also previously worked as a coordinator for the think-tank, Conservatives for Change.

You see a similar socio-anthropological pattern in France among Maghrebians for instance. Maghrebian women have compared to their male counterparts, better educational level, less dropouts, and thus better access to higher careers, higher social class in the French society. Magherbian males, compared to their women, are less successful in higher education (anti-intellectualism), unlike Asians, but also not very good at trade school (this is why despite being millions, you will find more Eastern European or Portuguese contractors, carpenters, plumbers, electricians in the construction sector than Maghrebians). They work disproportionately as Uber drivers (it's even a joke here : what is an Arab in suit in a Mercedes ? - an Uber driver), pick up and delivery, security agents, ... so low-skilled non-manual jobs.

This is why, with cultural assimilation that has been happening with time, when they break the old Islamic-Arab patriarchal system, educated Maghrebian women are much more likely to date educated ethnic white French men (because more free from their old cultural mentality, more assimilated, relative lower Maghrebian males in their dating pool). And the opposite for Maghrebian males, who are in lower socio-economical status, and that will date lower class ethnic white French women (+ less social and religious stigma/taboo in the Muslim mentality for men to date non-Muslims than the opposite).

So we got two opposite direction of mixing and assimilation

[Ascended]

You see a similar socio-anthropological pattern in France among Maghrebians for instance. Maghrebian women have compared to their male counterparts, better educational level, less dropouts, and thus better access to higher careers, higher social class in the French society. Magherbian males, compared to their women, are less successful in higher education (anti-intellectualism), unlike Asians, but also not very good at trade school (this is why despite being millions, you will find more Eastern European or Portuguese contractors, carpenters, plumbers, electricians in the construction sector than Maghrebians). They work disproportionately as Uber drivers (it's even a joke here : what is an Arab in suit in a Mercedes ? - an Uber driver), pick up and delivery, security agents, ... so low-skilled non-manual jobs.

This is why, with cultural assimilation that has been happening with time, when they break the old Islamic-Arab patriarchal system, educated Maghrebian women are much more likely to date educated ethnic white French men (because more free from their old cultural mentality, more assimilated, relative lower Maghrebian males in their dating pool). And the opposite for Maghrebian males, who are in lower socio-economical status, and that will date lower class ethnic white French women (+ less social and religious stigma/taboo in the Muslim mentality for men to date non-Muslims than the opposite).

So we got two opposite direction of mixing and assimilation

Do you think these things are 'organic' ? The system does this purposefully. Its the same here in Canada...
Or in the US, you will see African American women working well paying government jobs at the DMV, but less oppurtinities for the men. This is a classic institutionalized 'divide' conquer tactic. Women with higher education have no choice but to hypergamize, it's about options, but still you exagerrate. And Maghrebi men for sure are bagging more French girls than French guys, maghrebian women, inspite of your unspoken 'institutional divide conquer tactics'

[RogueState]

Do you think these things are 'organic' ? The system does this purposefully. Its the same here in Canada...
Or in the US, you will see African American women working well paying government jobs at the DMV, but less oppurtinities for the men. This is a classic institutionalized 'divide' conquer tactic. Women with higher education have no choice but to hypergamize, it's about options, but still you exagerrate. And Maghrebi men for sure are bagging more French girls than French guys, maghrebian women, inspite of your unspoken 'institutional divide conquer tactics'

Do you think these things are 'organic' ? The system does this purposefully. Its the same here in Canada...
Or in the US, you will see African American women working well paying government jobs at the DMV, but less oppurtinities for the men. This is a classic institutionalized 'divide' conquer tactic. Women with higher education have no choice but to hypergamize, it's about options, but still you exagerrate. And Maghrebi men for sure are bagging more French girls than French guys, maghrebian women, inspite of your unspoken 'institutional divide conquer tactics'

well as you probably know, one of the fundamental force in anthropology, and not just among humans, but all animals, it's males fighting each other to get women. Tribes expand, fight each other, conquer new lands, resources and take conquered women as "rewards".

It's more organic, in our postmodern world, societies are becoming less confrontational, more feminine, more rewarding for quiet hard-working students (like Asians) than impulsive "toxic" masculine men (like "brown & black men") who are less prone to study and to get a relatively white collar job.

But I think it's far-stretched to believe it's conspiracy designed by male-dominated Western societies, to have on purpose socioeconomically marginalized "exotic" men and rewarded "exotic" women, in order to get them, as a pervert strategy (unlike the more virile and noble real physical fights/wars like in the past).

Because if it was the case, they would not allow mass migration of foreign male workers at the first place, but would have perpetuate the old colonial strategy (conquering lands and foreign women, enslaving men).