Greek MyHeritage+Gedmatch results (7/8 Achaean 1/8 from Lamia)

**lacreme** · 11-19-2020, 12:40 PM

The results just came out.
He is my friend's

Spoiler!

maternal grandfather .
Most of his known ancestors,with the exception of a paternal great-grandfather who is his direct paternal line and was from Lamia,were from the highlighted area of Achaia

His results are the expected based on his ancestry, basically he has arvanite/thessalian/western greek like results. Based on some unexpected findings there are other,serious implications though ...

But first, his Myheritage results. Completed in only 9 days ! , they seem to be noisy scoring both the infamous 1% Ashkenazi Jewish AND the 1% Nigerian.

(Could it be that the raw DNA data is also noisy ? He scores 1% sub-saharan on eurogenes k13 but more on that later)

As for the unexpected findings... well...My friend doesn't show up on his list of genetic relatives, neither are his other matches... Using the gedmatch tools on his raw data he also doesn't show shared SNPs with my friend

Now,this clearly points to a recent non paternity event but could it be a case of mixed up samples during the analysis or non correctly harvested sample ?
In a few days my friend's mother will have her results too, hopefully it will help clearing up the confusion because right now, both my friend and his mother are expectedly freaked out.
To be clear, any non paternity event can only be between my friend's mother and her father because my friend on his list of genetic relatives has people known to be distant relatives from his father's side and also probable relatives (based on the areas of their surnameses distribution) from his maternal grandmother's side. Unfortunately his maternal grandmother is dead and for obvious reasons it's not something he can discuss with his maternal grandfather

Any help appreciated...anyway... His GEDMATCH results, YDNA prediction are on the next post, his G25 coordinates will follow when they're ready

**lacreme** · 11-19-2020, 01:00 PM

Eurogenes K13

Code:

Chris_maternal_grandpa,20.06,17.3,22.23,10.78,24.69,1.73,0,1.33,0,0.06,0.77,0,1

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	East_Med	24.69
2	West_Med	22.23
3	North_Atlantic	20.06
4	Baltic	17.3
5	West_Asian	10.78
6	Red_Sea	1.73
7	East_Asian	1.33
8	Sub-Saharan	1
9	Oceanian	0.77
10	Amerindian	0.06
11	Northeast_African	0.04

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Greek_Thessaly	3.72
2	Bulgarian	8.47
3	Central_Greek	9.46
4	Tuscan	9.67
5	Italian_Abruzzo	9.77
6	West_Sicilian	9.91
7	Romanian	10.63
8	East_Sicilian	10.65
9	Ashkenazi	12.69
10	North_Italian	12.97
11	South_Italian	13.19
12	Serbian	14.63
13	Algerian_Jewish	18.49
14	Italian_Jewish	18.68
15	Sephardic_Jewish	19.21
16	Moldavian	20.46
17	Portuguese	20.86
18	Spanish_Extremadura	21.25
19	Spanish_Galicia	21.86
20	Spanish_Andalucia	22.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	54.5%	Bulgarian	+	45.5%	West_Sicilian	@	3.22
2	 	93.7%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.3%	Southwest_French	@	3.28
3	 	93%	Greek_Thessaly	+	7%	Spanish_Valencia	@	3.32
4	 	93.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.2%	Spanish_Cantabria	@	3.33
5	 	93.1%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.9%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	3.33
6	 	95.9%	Greek_Thessaly	+	4.1%	French_Basque	@	3.34
7	 	88.6%	Greek_Thessaly	+	11.4%	North_Italian	@	3.35
8	 	93.4%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.6%	Spanish_Andalucia	@	3.38
9	 	94.6%	Greek_Thessaly	+	5.4%	Spanish_Aragon	@	3.39
10	 	93.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.2%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	@	3.4
11	 	94.1%	Greek_Thessaly	+	5.9%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	3.41
12	 	93.3%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.7%	Portuguese	@	3.41
13	 	95.5%	Greek_Thessaly	+	4.5%	Sardinian	@	3.41
14	 	93.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.2%	Spanish_Murcia	@	3.42
15	 	93.7%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.3%	Spanish_Galicia	@	3.43
16	 	93.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	6.2%	Spanish_Extremadura	@	3.46
17	 	84.9%	Greek_Thessaly	+	15.1%	Bulgarian	@	3.46
18	 	95.2%	Greek_Thessaly	+	4.8%	East_German	@	3.48
19	 	95%	Greek_Thessaly	+	5%	Austrian	@	3.49
20	 	94.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	5.2%	French	@	3.49

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	East_Med	24.69
2	West_Med	22.23
3	North_Atlantic	20.06
4	Baltic	17.30
5	West_Asian	10.78
6	Red_Sea	1.73
7	East_Asian	1.33


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.927622
2 Bulgarian @ 9.557183
3 Central_Greek @ 10.708405
4 Tuscan @ 10.926871
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 10.998326
6 West_Sicilian @ 11.152755
7 East_Sicilian @ 11.971867
8 Romanian @ 12.044098
9 Ashkenazi @ 14.446675
10 North_Italian @ 14.866632
11 South_Italian @ 14.978918
12 Serbian @ 16.672079
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 21.018536
14 Italian_Jewish @ 21.289394
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.777895
16 Moldavian @ 23.349262
17 Portuguese @ 24.055365
18 Spanish_Extremadura @ 24.443201
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 25.218510
20 Spanish_Andalucia @ 25.591909

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% West_Sicilian @ 3.590729


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% West_Sicilian +25% West_Sicilian @ 3.590729


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.604050
2 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.867522
3 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.942808
4 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 3.045936
5 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.053868
6 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.110376
7 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Polish + Sardinian @ 3.133389
8 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.180911
9 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.200692
10 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.259320
11 Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Serbian @ 3.279143
12 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.315340
13 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.323547
14 Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian + Serbian @ 3.351990
15 Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 3.381991
16 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_Sicilian @ 3.445359
17 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 3.490747
18 Bulgarian + Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 3.504777
19 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian @ 3.520724
20 Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 3.547904

Eurogenes K15

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	East_Med	21.03
2	West_Med	18.02
3	Atlantic	17.57
4	Baltic	12.63
5	West_Asian	11.87
6	North_Sea	10.49
7	Eastern_Euro	3.98
8	Red_Sea	2.06
9	Sub-Saharan	0.84
10	Southeast_Asian	0.76
11	Oceanian	0.68
12	Northeast_African	0.08

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Greek	4.43
2	Greek_Thessaly	6.73
3	Tuscan	7.68
4	Bulgarian	8.39
5	Italian_Abruzzo	8.53
6	Central_Greek	9.17
7	West_Sicilian	9.29
8	East_Sicilian	9.99
9	Romanian	10.97
10	Ashkenazi	11.46
11	North_Italian	11.5
12	South_Italian	11.52
13	Serbian	14.48
14	Italian_Jewish	16.37
15	Sephardic_Jewish	17.1
16	Algerian_Jewish	17.24
17	Spanish_Andalucia	18.35
18	Portuguese	18.69
19	Spanish_Extremadura	18.71
20	Spanish_Murcia	18.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	85.1%	Greek	+	14.9%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	@	2.89
2	 	85.4%	Greek	+	14.6%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	2.99
3	 	87.3%	Greek	+	12.7%	Spanish_Cantabria	@	3.06
4	 	87.5%	Greek	+	12.5%	Southwest_French	@	3.06
5	 	85%	Greek	+	15%	Spanish_Andalucia	@	3.08
6	 	85.8%	Greek	+	14.2%	Spanish_Valencia	@	3.08
7	 	77.7%	Greek	+	22.3%	North_Italian	@	3.08
8	 	87.6%	Greek	+	12.4%	Spanish_Aragon	@	3.1
9	 	85.6%	Greek	+	14.4%	Spanish_Murcia	@	3.13
10	 	85.4%	Greek	+	14.6%	Portuguese	@	3.13
11	 	91%	Greek	+	9%	French_Basque	@	3.14
12	 	86.8%	Greek	+	13.2%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	3.15
13	 	86%	Greek	+	14%	Spanish_Galicia	@	3.16
14	 	85.7%	Greek	+	14.3%	Spanish_Extremadura	@	3.2
15	 	88.4%	Greek	+	11.6%	French	@	3.38
16	 	91.7%	Greek	+	8.3%	Southwest_English	@	3.5
17	 	71.9%	Greek	+	28.1%	Tuscan	@	3.54
18	 	92.1%	Greek	+	7.9%	Southeast_English	@	3.57
19	 	90.4%	Greek	+	9.6%	South_Dutch	@	3.57
20	 	92.5%	Greek	+	7.5%	Irish	@	3.57

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	East_Med	21.03
2	West_Med	18.02
3	Atlantic	17.57
4	Baltic	12.63
5	West_Asian	11.87
6	North_Sea	10.49
7	Eastern_Euro	3.98
8	Red_Sea	2.06


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 5.092022
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 7.720819
3 Tuscan @ 8.695955
4 Bulgarian @ 9.664805
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.672360
6 Central_Greek @ 10.549465
7 West_Sicilian @ 10.583861
8 East_Sicilian @ 11.337139
9 Romanian @ 12.685031
10 Ashkenazi @ 12.933096
11 North_Italian @ 13.324771
12 South_Italian @ 13.337761
13 Serbian @ 16.870102
14 Italian_Jewish @ 18.821297
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 19.607115
16 Algerian_Jewish @ 19.856298
17 Spanish_Andalucia @ 21.375921
18 Spanish_Extremadura @ 21.788559
19 Portuguese @ 21.802649
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 22.108116

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Tuscan @ 4.536656


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Greek +25% North_Italian @ 3.430467


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek + Greek + Greek + North_Italian @ 3.430467
2 Bulgarian + Greek + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.509825
3 Bulgarian + Greek + Greek + Tuscan @ 3.511085
4 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek + North_Italian @ 3.771708
5 Bulgarian + Greek + Greek + North_Italian @ 3.835896
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.851481
7 Greek + Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 3.862688
8 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.867276
9 Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Greek + North_Italian @ 3.906075
10 Greek + Greek + Greek + Tuscan @ 3.958799
11 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Greek + Southwest_French @ 3.988158
12 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.010437
13 Greek + North_Italian + Romanian + South_Italian @ 4.023858
14 Greek + Greek + Romanian + Tuscan @ 4.047952
15 Bulgarian + Greek + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.054014
16 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 4.061903
17 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek + Tuscan @ 4.113246
18 Bulgarian + Greek + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 4.126570
19 Greek + Greek + Greek + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.156217
20 Greek + Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.161187

Eurogenes K36

Code:

Population	 
Amerindian	-    
Arabian	-    
Armenian	5.33 Pct
Basque	-    
Central_African	-    
Central_Euro	-    
East_African	-    
East_Asian	-    
East_Balkan	9.18 Pct
East_Central_Asian	-    
East_Central_Euro	3.82 Pct
East_Med	8.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro	5.88 Pct
Fennoscandian	0.05 Pct
French	2.45 Pct
Iberian	9.67 Pct
Indo-Chinese	-    
Italian	24.89 Pct
Malayan	-    
Near_Eastern	6.79 Pct
North_African	0.1 Pct
North_Atlantic	8.11 Pct
North_Caucasian	-    
North_Sea	2.36 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Oceanian	0.2 Pct
Omotic	-    
Pygmy	0.07 Pct
Siberian	-    
South_Asian	1.29 Pct
South_Central_Asian	-    
South_Chinese	-    
Volga-Ural	-    
West_African	-    
West_Caucasian	4.49 Pct
West_Med	6.74 Pct

Dodecad K12b

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	32.19
2	Atlantic_Med	29.1
3	North_European	23.27
4	Southwest_Asian	7.25
5	Gedrosia	3.85
6	Northwest_African	1.74
7	Southeast_Asian	1.33
8	South_Asian	1.09
9	Sub_Saharan	0.15
10	East_African	0.03

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	O_Italian (Dodecad)	6.2
2	Greek (Dodecad)	6.47
3	C_Italian (Dodecad)	8.15
4	Tuscan (HGDP)	9.63
5	TSI30 (Metspalu)	10.45
6	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	11.95
7	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	12.05
8	Sicilian (Dodecad)	12.33
9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	12.49
10	Romanians (Behar)	13.12
11	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	13.13
12	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	13.38
13	N_Italian (Dodecad)	14.31
14	North_Italian (HGDP)	16.41
15	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	19.37
16	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	21.23
17	Baleares (1000Genomes)	25.07
18	Turkish (Dodecad)	25.41
19	Galicia (1000Genomes)	26.17
20	Cypriots (Behar)	26.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	60.3%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	+	39.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	@	2.41
2	 	84.5%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	15.5%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	2.63
3	 	85.2%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	14.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	2.66
4	 	85.7%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	14.3%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	2.66
5	 	85.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	14.2%	English (Dodecad)	@	2.67
6	 	60.2%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	+	39.8%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	@	2.67
7	 	85.6%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	14.4%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	2.68
8	 	86.2%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.8%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	2.68
9	 	86.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.2%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	2.69
10	 	86.6%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.4%	Argyll (1000Genomes)	@	2.7
11	 	86.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.2%	Orcadian (HGDP)	@	2.7
12	 	86.7%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.3%	Irish (Dodecad)	@	2.71
13	 	86.3%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.7%	British (Dodecad)	@	2.74
14	 	86.1%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	13.9%	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	@	2.75
15	 	51.6%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	48.4%	Romanians (Behar)	@	2.8
16	 	62.7%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	+	37.3%	Romanians (Behar)	@	2.83
17	 	87.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	12.2%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	2.85
18	 	84.3%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	15.7%	German (Dodecad)	@	2.92
19	 	83.4%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	16.6%	French (HGDP)	@	3.01
20	 	51.3%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	48.7%	Romanians (Behar)	@	3.03

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	32.19
2	Atlantic_Med	29.10
3	North_European	23.27
4	Southwest_Asian	7.25
5	Gedrosia	3.85
6	Northwest_African	1.74
7	Southeast_Asian	1.33
8	South_Asian	1.09


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.695875
2 Greek_Dodecad @ 7.095695
3 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 8.769273
4 Tuscan_HGDP @ 10.350053
5 TSI30_Metspalu @ 11.252002
6 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 12.970367
7 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 13.087984
8 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 13.408428
9 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 13.575165
10 Romanians_Behar @ 14.291318
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 14.301065
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 14.539511
13 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.608073
14 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.814030
15 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 21.029770
16 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 22.983118
17 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 27.451918
18 Turkish_Dodecad @ 27.670401
19 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 28.815475
20 Cypriots_Behar @ 28.927486

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanians_Behar +50% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.917039


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarians_Yunusbayev +25% Sephardic_Jews_Behar +25% TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.345545


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenians_Behar + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.882722
2 Armenians_Behar + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.887769
3 Armenians_Behar + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.987683
4 Armenians_Behar + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.012301
5 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 2.083432
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.132678
7 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.143741
8 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.252699
9 Bulgarian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.265838
10 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Romanians_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.298969
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 2.306560
12 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.332853
13 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.339270
14 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.345545
15 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.348749
16 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 2.373058
17 C_Italian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 2.376912
18 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.397562
19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.409793
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Romanians_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.411879

MDLP K23b

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	37.63
2	European_Early_Farmers	24.93
3	European_Hunters_Gatherers	20.14
4	Near_East	6.16
5	South_Central_Asian	3.14
6	Australoid	2.1
7	North_African	1.93
8	Ancestral_Altaic	1.24
9	East_African	1.09
10	Amerindian	0.88
11	East_Siberian	0.62
12	African_Pygmy	0.13

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Kosovar ( )	2.87
2	Albanian_Tirana ( )	3.21
3	Greek_Thessaly ( )	3.35
4	Greek_Northwest ( )	3.97
5	Greek_Peloponnesos ( )	4.43
6	Greek_Thessaloniki ( )	4.55
7	Sicilian_Siracusa ( )	6.29
8	Central_Greek ( )	6.34
9	Ashkenazi ( )	6.91
10	Ashkenazi_Jew ( )	7.22
11	Bulgarian ( )	7.76
12	Macedonian ( )	8.05
13	Italian_Abruzzo ( )	8.3
14	Sicilian_East ( )	8.32
15	Romanian_Jew ( )	8.41
16	Sicilian_Trapani ( )	8.61
17	Sicilian_Center ( )	8.77
18	Sicilian_West ( )	8.95
19	Sicilian_Agrigento ( )	9.04
20	French_Jew ( )	9.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	93.2%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	6.8%	French ( )	@	2.15
2	 	94.5%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.5%	Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( )	@	2.17
3	 	94%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	6%	Spaniard ( )	@	2.17
4	 	95.3%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	4.7%	Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( )	@	2.18
5	 	94.5%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.5%	Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( )	@	2.18
6	 	94.4%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.6%	Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( )	@	2.18
7	 	94.5%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.5%	Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( )	@	2.19
8	 	93.1%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	6.9%	English_Kent_GBR ( )	@	2.19
9	 	95.1%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	4.9%	Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( )	@	2.19
10	 	94.8%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.2%	Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( )	@	2.19
11	 	94.7%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.3%	Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( )	@	2.2
12	 	92.9%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	7.1%	Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( )	@	2.2
13	 	95.1%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	4.9%	Colombian ( )	@	2.2
14	 	93.8%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	6.2%	Portugese ( )	@	2.2
15	 	95.3%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	4.7%	Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( )	@	2.2
16	 	94.9%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	5.1%	Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( )	@	2.2
17	 	93.6%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	6.4%	Welsh ( )	@	2.2
18	 	95.7%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	4.3%	French_South ( )	@	2.2
19	 	93.7%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	6.3%	British ( )	@	2.21
20	 	96.6%	Albanian_Tirana ( )	+	3.4%	Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( )	@	2.21

MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasian	37.63
2	European_Early_Farmers	24.93
3	European_Hunters_Gatherers	20.14
4	Near_East	6.16
5	South_Central_Asian	3.14
6	Australoid	2.10
7	North_African	1.93
8	Ancestral_Altaic	1.24
9	East_African	1.09


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 2.801378
2 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 3.318026
3 Kosovar_ @ 3.698566
4 Greek_Northwest_ @ 3.883727
5 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.287706
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 4.530814
7 Central_Greek_ @ 5.395383
8 Greek_ @ 8.602624
9 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.047677
10 Ashkenazi_ @ 9.086744
11 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.720438
12 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 9.977396
13 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.675898
14 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.692683
15 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 10.838719
16 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 10.903772
17 Romanian_Jew_ @ 11.001445
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 11.082608
19 Italian_South_ @ 11.269232
20 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 11.292611

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian_Tirana_ +50% Kosovar_ @ 2.769433


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian_Tirana_ +25% Greek_Thessaloniki_ +25% Italian_Tuscan_ @ 2.569397


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Albanian_Tirana_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Athens_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 2.452473
2 Albanian_Tirana_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 2.537487
3 Gagauz_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 2.543720
4 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Tuscan_ @ 2.554407
5 Gagauz_ + Greek_Athens_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.562616
6 Albanian_Tirana_ + Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Tuscan_ @ 2.569397
7 Kosovar_ + Kosovar_ + Kosovar_ + Romanian_Jew_ @ 2.570691
8 Albanian_Tirana_ + Gagauz_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Italian_South_ @ 2.583906
9 Central_Greek_ + Central_Greek_ + Gagauz_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 2.600462
10 Albanian_Tirana_ + Gagauz_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.600913
11 Albanian_Tirana_ + Central_Greek_ + Gagauz_ + Italian_Piedmont_ @ 2.604605
12 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Piedmont_ @ 2.608940
13 Albanian_Tirana_ + Bulgarian_ + Greek_Athens_ + Italian_Piedmont_ @ 2.617637
14 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ @ 2.619228
15 Gagauz_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 2.621182
16 Albanian_Tirana_ + Albanian_Tirana_ + Albanian_Tirana_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.630497
17 Central_Greek_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Athens_ + Italian_Bergamo_ @ 2.634193
18 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Macedonia_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.638470
19 Greek_Athens_ + Kosovar_ + Kosovar_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.649394
20 Albanian_Tirana_ + Albanian_Tirana_ + Gagauz_ + Italian_Tuscan_ @ 2.651585

YDNA PREDICTION
(his direct paternal line from Lamia)

Rgvgjhvv · 11-19-2020, 01:18 PM

GG

**Fedora** · 11-19-2020, 01:30 PM

His results are similar to Albanians. But generally many mainland Greeks seem to be similar to Albanians genetically. Atl Med around 30%~, NE around 25%~ is typical for Albanians.
But he also seems to be score some South Asian and East asian, don't know how typical that is.

**Jana** · 11-19-2020, 01:38 PM

closest to Albos on updated K13, I guess he's NW Greek

Distance to: Chris_maternal_grandpa

2.01712667 Albanian_Albania
2.38260362 Albanian
2.53684844 Torbesh_average
2.69753591 Albanian_south_Albania
2.77312099 Albanian_central_Albania
2.92068485 Greek_Central_Macedonia
2.96550164 Albanian_Montenegro
3.00614371 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
3.04456894 Albanian_north_Albania
3.18212586 Greek_Thessaly
3.24876900 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
3.31404587 Albanian_Macedonia
3.49276395 Greek_West
3.98840820 Greek
4.12305712 Greek_Northeast
4.27978971 Albanian_Kosovo
4.39389349 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.65094614 Greek_West_Macedonia
4.79958332 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
4.84231350 Greek_Peloponnese
5.30785267 Greek_Western-Thrace
5.52627361 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
5.58525738 MacedonianSouthWest
5.86359105 MacedonianSouthEast
5.91948477 MacedonianWest

**Jana** · 11-19-2020, 01:43 PM

Here are closest TA members to him:

Distance to: Chris_maternal_grandpa

3.41419097 DRUM(albanian)
3.67054492 Ylla(albanian)
4.34404190 Illyrian_warrior(albanian)
4.65178460 HellLander87(greek)
4.87532563 hithaeglir(greek)
5.52314222 Kelmendasi(albanian)
5.57581384 Xripkan(greek)
5.65194657 Nilotik(albanian)
5.72716335 Vasil(north_macedonian)
5.75577102 Geni(albanian)
5.80906189 Kleenex(greek)
5.81050772 Freeroostah(greek)
6.09610531 Dibran(albanian)
6.19246316 Pjeter_Pan(albanian)
6.20648854 Vojnik_dad(north_macedonian)
6.21354166 IceT(albanian)
6.52558810 Pan(greek)
6.74014095 Dorian
6.80814218 Coolguy1(greek)
6.91326985 Dukagjini(albanian)
7.04032670 Aspar(macedonian)
7.14665656 Sturmgewehr(albanian)
7.24401132 Drawing_slim(albanian)
7.38431446 Thrax(greek)
7.58447098 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(north_macedonia)

**lacreme** · 11-19-2020, 01:45 PM

He is from the Achaean region of Peloponnese.
The results are on the northern side of the variation for the region but not atypical. There are some quirks ( ? ) though , the east,southeast asian and african traces on some calcs for example....

The problem is with the apparent non paternity event...
Should he contact customer service ? I know the probability of error is almost zero but just in case

**xripkan** · 11-19-2020, 01:49 PM

Does he have any known Arvanite ancestry?

**lacreme** · 11-19-2020, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by xripkan

Does he have any known Arvanite ancestry?

Known no . Worth noting that his parents who were born during the last 2 decades of the 19th century didn't know how to speak any other language than greek.

Many of his ancestors were from the settlements established after the landfalls that destroyed the following village
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Τσετσεβός_Αχαΐας

It's original position was on the northeastern slopes of the Panachaiko mountain. While the arvanite settlements of Achaia were mostly on the western slopes of the same mountain range people move so it's possible

**brennus dux gallorum** · 11-19-2020, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by lacreme

Known no . Worth noting that his parents who were born during the last 2 decades of the 19th century didn't know how to speak any other language than greek.

Many of his ancestors were from the settlements established after the landfalls that destroyed the following village
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Τσετσεβός_Αχαΐας

It's original position was on the northeastern slopes of the Panachaiko mountain. While the arvanite settlements of Achaia were mostly on the western slopes of the same mountain range people move so it's possible

Panachaiko was entirely arvanitic and sarakatsan, and before that slavic. People there score closer to northwestern results than an average southern Greek would.