Eye and hair colour distribution among 1272 Germans + general comment

[Jana]

The part along the French border must be a bit darker in the French sense, or is there a big difference once you cross into Germany from Stratsbourg?

Maybe you forgot the fact Alsatians are Germanic?

[Peter Parker]

Don't know about French people but at least the difference between Southern Germans/Austrians and Northern Italians (except South Tyrol) is HUGE.

[Oliver109]

I don't think French from this region are that different genetically to the German neighbours.

I imagine they are similar to the French from Lille which i visited last year, they did seem a bit darker haired than the English and the Flemish from Antwerp and tanned quite well, what was noticeable was that they were quite a bit shorter than the Flemish who were about 6 ft for young males on average.

[Jana]

English looking more Scandi than Germans doesn't prove the English more Germanic by ancestry. Pre Germanic immigration inhabitants of British Isles were Scandi-like folks to begin with.
The Irish are actually genetically more northern European than the English.
Genetic distance between Ireland and Scandinavia is smaller than the distance between Englishmen and Scandinavians. Which proves native of British Isles were scandinavian-like without any Germanic input.

Why do you think genetic tests are bullshit? You're still angry at them for not showing you as NW euro as you wished?

Yeah. But to add there is actual (minor) Germanic input in Ireland, mostly from Norwegian Vikings (as well as some insular Celtic input in Norway and especially Iceland).
But Irish would be northern like even without this Germanic input. I am pretty sure Bronze Age Irish were even more northern than modern Irish.

[Samnium]

I imagine they are similar to the French from Lille which i visited last year, they did seem a bit darker haired than the English and the Flemish from Antwerp and tanned quite well, what was noticeable was that they were quite a bit shorter than the Flemish who were about 6 ft for young males on average.

Yes, though differences in height tend to disappear with time.

People from Lille are of course a little bit darker and don't have a freckled skin tone like Brits. For Flemish people, aside from pigmentation, I recall that there are many people of distant or recent Flemish ancestry in this part of France. Charles de Gaulle for example.

Don't know about French people but at least the difference between Southern Germans/Austrians and Northern Italians is HUGE.

That's true, aside from some minorities or tiny areas.

[Universe]

Yeah. But to add there is actual (minor) Germanic input in Ireland, mostly from Norwegian Vikings (as well as some insular Celtic input in Norway and especially Iceland).
But Irish would be northern like even without this Germanic input. I actually think Bronze Age Irish were even more northern than modern Irish.

There is, but less than in England I believe.

[Jana]

My guess is that arrival of Celtic languages during iron age in British Isles from west-central Europe brought more southernly continental component compared to extremely northern Bell Beakers that settled Isles in the bronze age. However actual Celtic blood (in sense of Hallstatt-La Tene) in Irish and Brits is not big but minor, they are still in majority of original beaker stock, especially Irish and other insular Celts.

Than Germanic invasions brought additional northern blood. English have additional southern input from Romans (at least in the south) and possibly even Normans to a minor degree. Normans were probably mixed with French to some degree when they conquered England. But those ancestries are minor in Isles anyway.

[Kyp]

I imagine they are similar to the French from Lille which i visited last year, they did seem a bit darker haired than the English and the Flemish from Antwerp and tanned quite well, what was noticeable was that they were quite a bit shorter than the Flemish who were about 6 ft for young males on average.

I've read that the shortest Germans are from Saarland (French border) and Thuringia (East-Central).

[Jana]

There is, but less than in England I believe.

English have much more Germanic yes. But interestingly Irish and Scottish may have more Viking than English. Germanic in English is mostly Anglo-Saxon. And Viking component in England is mostly Danish, while in Ireland and Scotland it's Norwegian. There was a study about it few years ago.

[Oliver109]

English have much more Germanic yes. But interestingly Irish and Scottish may have more Viking than English. Germanic in English is mostly Anglo-Saxon. And Viking component in England is mostly Danish, while in Ireland and Scotland it's Norwegian. There was a study about it few years ago.

I think Viking ancestry in Britain is overblown tbh, there was a thread on here or on Anthroscape comparing Shetland islanders to the islanders from the Faroes and there was not much resemblance with the two despite the allegedly high levels of Viking ancestry. Interestingly the Norman upper classes seem to have more Viking and Nordic looking phenotypes than the general population of say Yorkshire or Cumbria.