Debate a marxist !

[JamesBond007]

Read some Hayek.

Hayek and Friedman are responsible for social services and welfare being cut in the 1970s , in the USA, and now there is a rise in 'mental illness' an epidemic in the USA and UK because psychiatry has become and ideological tool of neoliberal state capitalism. So, you have millions of people deprived of liberty and zombied out on big pharma drugs etc... because of that capitalist asshole.

[RN97]

If you are marxist why don't you live in North Korea?

Why are you a capitalism supporter, but don't live in Nigeria??

There are college professors older me that are Marxists and would says something similar I tried to keep it simple and not a long essays since most people don't type those kinds of replies here. Soviet Russia was not Communist at certain point(s) it was Socialist working towards Communism (which it never achieved) and Soviet Russia reverted back to state Capitalism in the 1950s. Also, the Marxist revolution was either supposed to happen in an advanced Industrial economy or have help from advanced Industrial nations but that never happened -- Russia had to build up an industrial base which took a dictator like Stalin-- before they could arrive at paradise but paradise never arrived partly because they were attacked from without by the West and economically crippled by an arms race with the West etc...

However, in the meantime , Soviet was able to along with its satellites achieve cheap housing , fuel, transport and culture, full employment and impressive social services for half the citizens of Europe , as well as an incomparably greater degree of equality and material well-being than those nations had previously enjoyed etc...East Germany had the finest child care system in the world etc.. etc.. it battled fascism heroically and as well as helping topple Colonialist powers. It fostered a solidarity and spirit among its people that the West only inspires when genociding natives of other lands.

This is all no substitute for freedom, democracy, vegetables in the shop but nether is it to be ignored. Also, like I said marxist revolutions ideally were supposed to take place in advanced industrialized nations but this never happened so the system was forced to drag it's people e.g. Chinese and Russia into the industrialized future kicking and screaming via a dictator if they already had the industrial base then theoretically there would be no dictator per se.

Well you explain it quite well here, but remember most people use "communism" as a term for regimes where the communist party reigns. If you say that the USSR was not communist, because it never reached the communist state which Marx described, you're falling into the "it wasn't real communism" trap. You should rather legitimize it through arguments such as this:

However, in the meantime , Soviet was able to along with its satellites achieve cheap housing , fuel, transport and culture, full employment and impressive social services for half the citizens of Europe

You got to also look at things a more pragmatic manner. When Russia became communist, it was tired of wars, so would you then advocate, like Trotsky, that they should attack the west in order to fulfill Marx's prophecy? Should economic leftism be halted until a nation reaches a level of industrialization that's considered "ripe for a communist revolution"? Again, this reminds me of postmodernists who babble so much about nonsense living in their academic bubble;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjQA0e0UYzI
I wouldn't consider myself a marxist, let alone support marxist-leninist regimes, but I can see their achievements, good sides, pragmatism and give praise where it should be given. The USSR and all other communist countries were basically under siege by the strongest capitalist nations thus some politics had to be imposed that would seemingly be against the idea of Marxism.

[JamesBond007]

Your "beliefs" change every week. You ain't quite right in the head.

Hyperbole and psychiatry has become an ideological state tool of neoliberal capitalism that tries to pathologize dissent and neutralize threat to capital etc... :

the psy-professions are a product of capitalism; they were created to police dissent and reinforce conformity, not to emancipate people. Thus, they cannot be reformed or rescued from capitalism; they are and will always be institutions of social control, and for that reason they have no positive role to play in a socialist society. --professor Bruce M.Z. Cohen

[JamesBond007]

Killing Marxists is preferable and easier than debating them.

Who says it is easy for someone like you to survive New York ? I can see the headlines now : Canada hillbilly fascist came to New York then wound up dead :

[Teutone]

RIP to the poor souls debating jamesbond007 on anything.

[Nykyus]

For a Marxist, there is no national. They were the first globalists. Marx hated the Russians. The first thing the Marxist revolutionaries did was destroy the Orthodox Church. There is a book "Red Symphony" - the interrogation of the Trotskyist Rakovsky. Rakovsky reported that there is communism for the initiated and populist communism for the masses of the people. So communism for initiates is an analogue of the communism of bankers, financiers who also want to destroy national States. Stalin created formal communism instead of real communism. The Trotskyists were dissatisfied, but they lost. After that, the financiers decided to support Hitler to power, so that he destroyed the national state of the Russians. Because it was during the First World war that the Trotskyists came to power. Today, Erdogan is compared to Hitler and he aims to hit the Russian influence.

[Nykyus]

Do not think that repression and extermination of people were the first programs of Russian Marxists. On the contrary, they abolished the death penalty. Still, the revolutionaries were honest, unlike the current Russian authorities, who are thieves and do not care about the people, but think about their own enrichment.

[Nykyus]

When the revolutionaries seized power, they faced a shortage of personnel. They didn't have enough employees. And there gradually flowed a mass of people who had no experience of underground struggle and did not have firm beliefs. So in 1929, many things that were known were already forgotten. Many revolutionaries died in the Civil war, in the internal political struggle. People who joined the Communist party in the 1930s no longer sang "Internationale" and no longer dreamed of a world-wide Soviet Union.

[RN97]

lol, I just figured out who you are. You were libertarian just last week..... Some good trolling though, I like how knowledgeable you are on this stuff.

[KirillMazur]

I want to correct my mistake about 1% of the oligarchs, it is very striking. 1% of the population are directors of grocery stores and small trade enterprises at maximum, small and not even medium-sized businesses (car service for 10 cars maximum). How can these people manage something important? 1% are the people who live next to us. But 0.01 and 0.001% already live separately and we never see them in our life, at all. But those 1% and 10% of those who live next to us are usually subjected to dispossession, and the real owners of large means of production always come out dry from the water.

Stalin created formal communism instead of real communism.

Smash Marxism with Stalinism!
My respect, you are one of the few here who understands that Stalin and Trotsky were complete antipodes and the Stalinist USSR was left-conservative and not left-liberal.