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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver109 View Post
    I think the Welsh are actually paler on the whole than the English, the southern English anyway who often have a more European skin tone, dark hair but pale skin seems more common in Wales on the whole but light blonde hair is actually quite common i noticed, Wales is probably the most diverse British country when it comes to phenotypes with the whole spectrum from Med to the palest Scottish and Irish looking phenotypes.

    I think this photo sums up Welsh phenotypes
    In the picture posted, none of those Welsh persons fits within the Mediterranean phenotype! They are way too pale - complected, fully Northern European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver109 View Post
    I think the Welsh are actually paler on the whole than the English, the southern English anyway who often have a more European skin tone, dark hair but pale skin seems more common in Wales on the whole but light blonde hair is actually quite common i noticed, Wales is probably the most diverse British country when it comes to phenotypes with the whole spectrum from Med to the palest Scottish and Irish looking phenotypes.

    I think this photo sums up Welsh phenotypes
    I agree with this. My study found pure Mediterranean(so not including Atlanto-Med, as Atlanto-Med is intermediary as it peaks in genetically intermediary Spain, also looks the part as intermediary) spectrum phenotypes were 3.7% in England, and 1.9% in Wales(Ireland had 0.5% and Scotland 0.7%), which will definitely correlate with skin tones(although I did not record skin tones).

    The older studies saying Welsh are more Med than English are likely based on some dumb skull measurements. The Welsh are darker eyed/haired than the English, but I doubt they look more southern.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    I agree with this. My study found pure Mediterranean(so not including Atlanto-Med, as Atlanto-Med is intermediary as it peaks in genetically intermediary Spain, also looks the part as intermediary) spectrum phenotypes were 3.7% in England, and 1.9% in Wales(Ireland had 0.5% and Scotland 0.7%), which will definitely correlate with skin tones(although I did not record skin tones).

    The older studies saying Welsh are more Med than English are likely based on some dumb skull measurements. The Welsh are darker eyed/haired than the English, but I doubt they look more southern.
    No way. The Welsh as all British are as a whole lighter - complexioned than even the blond Scandinavians or Balts who actually tan well. Mediterraneans tan even better than Scandinavians. So how can the Welsh be Meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    No way. The Welsh as all British are as a whole lighter - complexioned than even the blond Scandinavians or Balts who actually tan well. Mediterraneans tan even better than Scandinavians. So how can the Welsh be Meds.
    Don't respond to my posts please.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    Don't respond to my posts please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Europids or European Caucasoids ( lightest to darkest - complexioned)

    Group I

    Scottish
    Irish
    Welsh
    English

    Group II

    Norwegian
    Swedish
    Danish
    Icelandic
    Finnish
    Estonian
    Latvian
    Lithuanian

    Group III

    Dutch
    German
    Swiss
    Belgian
    French
    Byelorussians
    Poles
    Czechs
    Ukrainians
    Russians

    Group IV

    Hungarians
    Romanians
    Slovenians
    Croats
    Serbians
    Bosnians
    Macedonians
    Albanians

    Group V

    Italians
    Greeks
    Portuguese
    Spaniards
    Maltese
    Cypriots
    You are wrong. This is the correct ranking of Europeans from lightest to darkest, not only if you take into account skin tone but also hair and eye color:

    Icelanders
    Finns
    Estonians
    Norwegians
    Swedes
    Latvians
    Lithuanians
    Danes
    Scots
    Irish
    English
    Welsh
    Dutch
    Russians
    Belarusians
    Poles
    Germans
    Belgians
    Luxembourgers
    Ukrainians
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    French
    Swiss
    Austrians
    Hungarians
    Moldovans
    Romanians
    North Italians
    Slovenes
    Croats
    Bosniaks
    Serbs
    Montenegrins
    Central Italians
    Bulgarians
    Macedonians
    South Italians
    North Caucasians
    Basques
    Kosovars
    Albanians
    Spaniards
    Portuguese
    Greeks
    Georgians
    Maltese
    Cypriots
    Armenians
    Canarians

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    I agree with this. My study found pure Mediterranean(so not including Atlanto-Med, as Atlanto-Med is intermediary as it peaks in genetically intermediary Spain, also looks the part as intermediary) spectrum phenotypes were 3.7% in England, and 1.9% in Wales(Ireland had 0.5% and Scotland 0.7%), which will definitely correlate with skin tones(although I did not record skin tones).

    The older studies saying Welsh are more Med than English are likely based on some dumb skull measurements. The Welsh are darker eyed/haired than the English, but I doubt they look more southern.
    Historically, weren't the Welsh Romanized Celts that were pushed into Wales by the invading Saxons ? I think most Welsh, on an individual basis , can pass as English but once you try moving large swathes of them into England it does not work because the ratio of phenotypes is off. Also, Coon said there is a paleo-atlantid type , in the British isles, that he said sometimes had an ancient Roman Teviec strain and that it was concentrated in Wales (that does not mean it was more than a minority of Wales though). The majority of Welsh are not Paleo-Atlantid but they have more of them than the English, Scots and Irish -- that type looks like nordicized meds so in that sense they don't look southern because they are nordicized.

    I might be wrong and you might be totally right but that is what I read about it many moons ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Historically, weren't the Welsh Romanized Celts that were pushed into Wales by the invading Saxons ? I think most Welsh, on an individual basis , can pass as English but once you try moving large swathes of them into England it does not work because the ratio of phenotypes is off. Also, Coon said there is a paleo-atlantid type , in the British isles, that he said sometimes had an ancient Roman Teviec strain and that it was concentrated in Wales (that does not mean it was more than a minority of Wales though). The majority of Welsh are not Paleo-Atlantid but they have more of them than the English, Scots and Irish -- that type looks like nordicized meds so in that sense they don't look southern because they are nordicized.

    I might be wrong and you might be totally right but that is what I read about it many moons ago.
    Most of the Romanized Kelts were of Keltic descent themselves according to genetical studies. They were not of Italian or Mediterranean ancestry. They were local Britonnic people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Area51Defender View Post
    You are wrong. This is the correct ranking of Europeans from lightest to darkest, not only if you take into account skin tone but also hair and eye color:

    Icelanders
    Finns
    Estonians
    Norwegians
    Swedes
    Latvians
    Lithuanians
    Danes
    Scots
    Irish
    English
    Welsh
    Dutch
    Russians
    Belarusians
    Poles
    Germans
    Belgians
    Luxembourgers
    Ukrainians
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    French
    Swiss
    Austrians
    Hungarians
    Moldovans
    Romanians
    North Italians
    Slovenes
    Croats
    Bosniaks
    Serbs
    Montenegrins
    Central Italians
    Bulgarians
    Macedonians
    South Italians
    North Caucasians
    Basques
    Kosovars
    Albanians
    Spaniards
    Portuguese
    Greeks
    Georgians
    Maltese
    Cypriots
    Armenians
    Canarians
    It is not! Lightest here is meant by complexion. Read the question above? This is he or she asked if the Irish were the lightest. Icelanders are not lighter - complected than Swedes or Norwegians or Finns, they aren’t lighter - haired or lighter - eyed. They are lighter than Danes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    It is not! Lightest here is meant by complexion. Read the question above? This is he or she asked if the Irish were the lightest. Icelanders are not lighter - complected than Swedes or Norwegians or Finns, they aren’t lighter - haired or lighter - eyed. They are lighter than Danes.
    Icelanders are located much further north than other Scandinavians, also their genetic isolation and retention of ancient Viking genes makes them the lightest Europeans, in terms of both hair color and eye color.

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