Why do some people keep telling that Southern Europeans are more Arabian-like?

[zebruh]

This. A lot of hispanics have also Italian sounding surname. NYC is fully of Middleasterners and hispanics.

Some hispanics do have italian surnames but its also not common. Aside from that I dont think spanish surnames sound italian.

[zebruh]

lol. Southern Europeans belong to the same European race as Central and Northern Euros, and are closer to them in all senses than to Middle Easterners and North Africans.

Only in recent times. But in ancient history not the case so much. The hub of european civilizations stemed in the medditernean. Often looking and exchanging with egyptians and other anatolian / middle eastern civilizations. Examples, trojans, luwains, hittites, lydians, carians ( not affiliatedwith modern karens), phonecians, carthagenians.

When the dark ages occured and rome was in shambles with invading barbarians sacked rome, this became less and less.

[princeton90]

Dude, don't Ashkenazi Jews cluster genetically closely with Southern Euros or at least Italians or Sicilians ? If so then all you deniers here are smoking crack cocaine nigga !

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Ashkenazi Jews are exceptions. Half of their lineage come from their host countries.

[Synapsid]

Because they are more Neolithic mixed.

Their Neolithic ancestry is different (related but different)

[Hamilcar]

Their Neolithic ancestry is different (related but different)

not if we only take north africans into account

[mitalit]

Because we are, at least genetically, geographically and phenotypically (culturally it doesn't have to). Although this does not mean that we are alike, we are very different

[Synapsid]

Only in recent times. But in ancient history not the case so much. The hub of european civilizations stemed in the medditernean. Often looking and exchanging with egyptians and other anatolian / middle eastern civilizations. Examples, trojans, luwains, hittites, lydians, carians ( not affiliatedwith modern karens), phonecians, carthagenians.

When the dark ages occured and rome was in shambles with invading barbarians sacked rome, this became less and less.

It was the Islamic conquest that created the barrier between the northern core of the classical world (Italian peninsula, S. Gaul, Iberia) from the Southern Core of the classical world (Syria/Levant, Egypt, North Africa, parts of Anatolia) not so much the Germanic invasions. Although Rome fell in 400s, Classical civilization continued in the East/MENA world and had connections with S. Europe until the 700s with the Arab invasions (archaeologists see a shrinkage in coinage circulation in the Med basin during 700s and 800ad and a decline in ship traffic via shipwerk levels). After the failed Islamic invasion of Gaul, the Frankish Carolingians took over Italian affairs and became the Dominant Catholic power in W. Europe and Italians and reconqesta Spaniards start to have more cultural overlap with NW Euros than with MENA cultures over centuries, with divisions between the two growing further and further as Christianity and Islam becomes entrenched. Before that, it would have been laughable to state that an Roman Italic statesman had more in common with Iron age swedes of the Vendel period in custom and thought than with an Phoenician lawyer in Beirut (the prime city of legal affairs of Roman laws in the late Roman Empire) regardless of Genetic data

[Synapsid]

not if we only take north africans into account

Yeah, NA have the same Neolithic Ancestry as Euro Meds (EEF)

[Zeno]

Dude, don't Ashkenazi Jews cluster genetically closely with Southern Euros or at least Italians or Sicilians ? If so then all you deniers here are smoking crack cocaine nigga !

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Ashkenazis are genetically half European. Barely even half of their lineage is Semitic to begin with.

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

European Greeks and most Italians have almost nothing to do with Middle Easterners, be it Arabs or Turks.

IKR. Sharing a Mediterranean body of water doesn't mean jackshit. Some influences may be similar but overall MENA are closer to other Muslim groups than they are to Southern Europeans.