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brennus dux gallorum
If you paid a little more attention to my answer you would have seen that i gave a pretty accurate answer to your arguments: you Could check Paul valery´s definition of European/western, being consisted of 3 criteria: Greko-Roman heritage, Christianity and Roman law. Greko-Roman heritage can be summarized as the heritage of Byzantines and Franks who were the direct successors of Romans, and the people who were affected by them later (and Byzantines and Franks themselves interacted with each other, and the first crusade itself was organized as an aid towrads byzantium and against seljuks).
Christianity is just Christianity, its not specified as "western Christianity" by him or most of authors of the last 200-300 years. The schism was mainly political, like i said in my previous post, being in palatine chapel of aachen or in St Demetrius of Thessaloniki, what you see is the same roots, roots which do not exist in the islamic world. Roman law is the only criterion undoubtedly being shared by Turkey. If Turkish people do not self-identify as middle eastern thats ok, but something far from making them western
Summarizing, western/European identity is not (only) liberalism (German romanticism for example was everything but liberal) nor netflix. Since you know me very Well for a couple of years, you would already know that i never start such conversations, but like i said i cant let people spreading bs without getting any answer, like what darksecret started doing here and without his post this discussion would have never been done
Western is a broad term which today technically includes most of Christian countries of Europe, and certainly Greece among them, as far as we fullfil all of socio-cultural criteria of the west
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