Why Germans and Scandinavians dont have the same major Y haplogroup?

[zebruh]

I1 is obviously scando because i1 is where it peaks the most out of all places. Outside of scandnavia its not so common i believe. Where R1 just fucked like mad rabbits so they have R1 everywhere like crazy.
We did find a J2 viking though which was interesting.

[Immanenz]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6418338

dont think South Germans can be as wog as South Russians with the presence of Armenoid - like individuals etc. Most data and maps are shwoing the contrary.

[Jana]

I1 is obviously scando because i1 is where it peaks the most out of all places. Outside of scandnavia its not so common i believe. Where R1 just fucked like mad rabbits so they have R1 everywhere like crazy.
We did find a J2 viking though which was interesting.

Highest frequency doesn't equal place of origin. R1b peaks among Basques but it comes from Pontic-Caspian steppe.
I2-din peaks in BiH Croats but originates most likely from NW Europe.

Etc.

[KirillMazur]

dont think South Germans can be as wog as South Russians with the presence of Armenoid - like individuals etc. Most data and maps are shwoing the contrary.

Southern Russians are in sharp contrast to the Armenoids, it's just that a lot of Armenians have historically lived in the south of Russia, especially in the Stavropol region and Krasnodar krai. But the degree of mixing is not great yet. This is about the same how the Turks will considered Germans in 100 years by statistics.

[Dan Coren]

dont think South Germans can be as wog as South Russians with the presence of Armenoid - like individuals etc. Most data and maps are shwoing the contrary.

I think they may be as dark as them, due to dinarid presence.

[Leto]

dont think South Germans can be as wog as South Russians with the presence of Armenoid - like individuals etc. Most data and maps are shwoing the contrary.

"Southern Russians" are not particularly more Southern than an average East Slav. They are certainly less so than Carpathian Ukrainians or Slovaks. At least it's nothing like in Italy for example where "Southern" would mean a sharp genetic difference besides geographical.
I have plenty of GEDmatch examples but this thread is not about Slavs or Russians.

[Leto]

Southern Russians are in sharp contrast to the Armenoids, it's just that a lot of Armenians have historically lived in the south of Russia, especially in the Stavropol region and Krasnodar krai. But the degree of mixing is not great yet. This is about the same how the Turks will considered Germans in 100 years by statistics.

Most (but not all) Armenians in the South are from the last 30 years, just saying. They have flooded the region and the country in general starting in the late 1980s.

[KirillMazur]

Most (but not all) Armenians in the South are from the last 30 years, just saying. They have flooded the region and the country in general starting in the late 1980s.

So the situation is even closer to the German one.

[Dick]

Highest frequency doesn't equal place of origin. R1b peaks among Basques but it comes from Pontic-Caspian steppe.
I2-din peaks in BiH Croats but originates most likely from NW Europe.

Etc.

If Basque R1b was there before IE invasion then the Caucasian origin theory of the Basque language and the languages of the Caucasus being related may be plausible.

[Dan Coren]

If Basque R1b was there before IE invasion then the Caucasian origin theory of the Basque language and the languages of the Caucasus being related may be plausible.

There's even west african R1b-V88 with no link with the steppe indo-europeans. If you look on eupedia's maps about pre-IE invasion haplogroups in europe you would see a subclade of R1b around the baltics/finland or NW europe, I don't think r1b is fully IE in origin, but hunter gatherer of some sort. That's why R1a was so widespread in IE conquerors, because HG males mixed with CHG women or EEF(remember abashevo had quite high EEF-like ancestry compared to yamna), so all of this R1/R2 haplogroups could be actually from ANE in origin, or central/north asian from 10k yrs ago, and migrated all the way to west europe(some) or back in africa (r1b-v88).