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Thread: Why Germans and Scandinavians dont have the same major Y haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebruh View Post
    I1 is obviously scando because i1 is where it peaks the most out of all places.
    The fact, that has the highest percentage (not the number, neither density) doesn't mean, that:
    1) is IE, 2) is germanic, 3) is originally noridc or 4) is the main scandinavian or main germanic hg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Highest frequency doesn't equal place of origin. R1b peaks among Basques but it comes from Pontic-Caspian steppe.
    I2-din peaks in BiH Croats but originates most likely from NW Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    If Basque R1b was there before IE invasion then the Caucasian origin theory of the Basque language and the languages of the Caucasus being related may be plausible.
    Nope. If it is so, I would rather bet on Farmerians-G2. But personally I subscribe to the
    option which tells that basquish language is remain of I-people, so my own advise to you
    as to free man would be: buy an english-basque selfteacher and find some nice blackish girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Coren View Post
    There's even west african R1b-V88 with no link with the steppe indo-europeans.
    With the strong proved IE link, even with a tie to the steppes.

    I don't think r1b is fully IE in origin, but hunter gatherer of some sort.
    IEs couldn't be HGs?

    so all of this R1/R2 haplogroups could be actually from ANE in origin,
    EHG. ANE = castizo EHG+AmerInd.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Right, good point. R1 is from ANE and we know original R carriers were siberian types.
    EHG. Eastern european or/and at best western siberian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    All European R1b is IE in origin without exception. Type of R1b found in some Hunter Gatherers belonged to African branch and unrelated to R1b branches of modern European males.
    To IE HGs, and still exists in Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2garin View Post
    Southern Russians and Ukrainians are darker than Southern Germans; Northern Russians and Belarusians are lighter than Northern Germans. Deal with it, man
    Actually in anthropological material can be found statements,
    which claim, that Russkies have very light skin, lightest than
    even Scandinavians. Hair could be a different thing.
    Last edited by Rethel; 11-28-2020 at 11:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    There is no caucasian race identity in Europe, only europeans and non europeans and arabs are not europeans. We don't even care who is caucasiod or not, it's just american thing. If you are are not european (so arab) you will be such foreigner like a chinese...
    It doesn’t matter if one identifies with something or not; that doesn’t prevent it from existing. What is, is whether you like it or not.
    You can call it what you want, but the indigenous people of western Eurasia and North Africa are closely related to Europeans. Just because one has somewhat darker skin doesn’t prevent them from belonging to the same group of people. The people in parts of the Middle East and North Africa have darker skin, but I believe the color of one’s skin has more to do with the sun than anything else.

    A foreigner is a person who is not of your nation; is Europe one nation?

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