Are Blacks really powerful in the west?

[Trouble]

They are not at all. They wouldn't need things like affirmative action if they were. Their share of the wealth in this position is disproportionately low like their representation at the tops of major corporations.

[Mortimer]

If you had pride, you wouldn't use govt assistance to live. Just saying. Life can be tough, i know this better than some but you never give in. Social welfare should only be the means to bridge a short-term gap.

Im in a position that I need it, to be completely independ of any assistance I would need not even to live in austria, or use any assistance like child care or health care or anything, which I didnt paid myself. And many who are workers or work but are low income, receive some government assistance as well. As well that some live from donations who do work. That is how the system works and that Im in a position that I need it, and I would probably always need it except I become really powerful and rich. Even If I did a part time job, or a full-time job i would probably get paid by government assistance to get employed as disabled, because disabled dont get that easy employed and the government pays for them to get employed etc. What you say is nonsense.

[Mortimer]

As long I get my meds and health care I get assistance, because only the meds are so expensive that I could never afford them myself except Im really rich.

[JamesBond007]

As long I get my meds and health care I get assistance, because only the meds are so expensive that I could never afford them myself except Im really rich.

Psychiatry is an ideological tool of neoliberal state capitalism. Capitalist philosophy is not scientific like Marxism (scientific socialism) and instead of using dialectical materialism uses faulty metaphysical methods. Therefore, your mental illness is a capitalist comforting lie and does not exist (that does not mean your problems do not exist but they are caused by Capitalism). Your mental illness does not emanate from a chemical imbalance nor does it come from a biological or genetic cause : they are caused by your state of affairs which are brutally arranged by Capitalism. Your 'medicine' is a neurotoxic poison that is meant to cool you down and cause mental fog so you don't figure everything out, squawk on the system, and take your revenge.

tldr, mental illness is bullshit and your medicine is a neurotoxic poison that made you morbidly obese etc...

[Blondie]

Yes anti Gypsy populations are punching below their weight. The best solution for Gypsies is something like a Gypsy MALCOLM X

The gypsie case in Europe is totally different that the black case in North America. Whites brought blacks to work in USA by force, the black population contributed a lot to build America since the begining. Gypsies migrated here willingly, they didn't contribute to built Europe because 1. european states were already existed long before the gypsies have arrived, 2. gypsies were not labor force like american blacks but they always travelled between regions as musicians and scavenger peoples. The only solution is gypsies must assimilate into the majority society, we don't need separatists and parallel societies, Europe for europeans and european culture. Gypsies can be part of this society (the problem is most don't want) if they want but they need normal work and life like other europeans have.
By the way this assimilation is impossible democratically, i'm not fan of communist regimes but in the communist Hungary the gypsies were not discriminated, they had houses, job and normal life because the Communist Party forced them in the begining to leave their nomadism and after 20-30 years they were totally assimilated. The gypsie problem appeared again after 1990 when the communism failed and the economy was changed to capitalism. The new elite sold the complete industry and companies to westernes and millions of people lost their job, it was the moment when the gypsies sank down in the lower class society, these idiot liberals gived them aid, money instead of job and now in 2020 there is a second gypsie young generation who didn't see their parents working, they have no working culture and who thinks this is the normal life to get money and aid from the society without work. In fact the dumb liberals and these malcolm x gypsies ruined the gypsie society.

[Blondie]

If Mortimer would has normal job instead of the living on aid gypsie life style, i would not consider him a gypsie but normal european.

[Mortimer]

If Mortimer would has normal job instead of the living on aid gypsie life style, i would not consider him a gypsie but normal european.

that is still a discrimination because the bar for accepting gypsies is much higher then for hungarians, you probably like the punk next door, who drinks and takes drugs as long he shits on gypsies and is racist hungarian. but you dont consider me european, you probably never would even if i had a job, but that also meaens gypsies cant get ill or fall on aid, or they are instantly evil etc. that means gypsies need 3 times as much to prove themselfes, and you dont consider them by their individuality but as group, you consider me only a bad person, because of my group affiliation if i were hungarian you wouldnt have this attachment that i have this negative traits BECUASE Im hungarian, like you think i live on aid BECUASE Im a gypsy. Actually I live on aid, but I dont have this tradition like you associate with gypsies to hate work, and self-segregate by not working, and keep away from normal life, like you attribute to the gypsies. I come from grandparents and parents who worked and taught me working values, you SAY that gypsies DONT WANT TO WORK BECAUSE they have a story or tradition that they hate work. Which is not true. And everyone can be on aid but it is not this story that they reject civilisation for nomadism which you attribute to gypsies.

[Mortimer]

The gypsie case in Europe is totally different that the black case in North America. Whites brought blacks to work in USA by force, the black population contributed a lot to build America since the begining. Gypsies migrated here willingly, they didn't contribute to built Europe because 1. european states were already existed long before the gypsies have arrived, 2. gypsies were not labor force like american blacks but they always travelled between regions as musicians and scavenger peoples. The only solution is gypsies must assimilate into the majority society, we don't need separatists and parallel societies, Europe for europeans and european culture. Gypsies can be part of this society (the problem is most don't want) if they want but they need normal work and life like other europeans have.
By the way this assimilation is impossible democratically, i'm not fan of communist regimes but in the communist Hungary the gypsies were not discriminated, they had houses, job and normal life because the Communist Party forced them in the begining to leave their nomadism and after 20-30 years they were totally assimilated. The gypsie problem appeared again after 1990 when the communism failed and the economy was changed to capitalism. The new elite sold the complete industry and companies to westernes and millions of people lost their job, it was the moment when the gypsies sank down in the lower class society, these idiot liberals gived them aid, money instead of job and now in 2020 there is a second gypsie young generation who didn't see their parents working, they have no working culture and who thinks this is the normal life to get money and aid from the society without work. In fact the dumb liberals and these malcolm x gypsies ruined the gypsie society.

That is not that anti-gypsy and we can make a compromise, here, Im not for parallel societies or that gypsies form seperatist movements. Thats not what I am at all for it though. Gypsies should assimilate, but hungarians should not reject assimilation with gypsies. You yourself said that rightfully no one wants to mix with gypsies, and they are in villages not even allowed in regular schools. If you want that gypsies assimilate you must allow them into hungarian society, and stop treating them as foreign. Or it wont work. Gypsies also need to want it, and work and all that.

[Blondie]

that is still a discrimination because the bar for accepting gypsies is much higher then for hungarians, you probably like the punk next door, who drinks and takes drugs as long he shits on gypsies and is racist hungarian. but you dont consider me european, you probably never would even if i had a job, but that also meaens gypsies cant get ill or fall on aid, or they are instantly evil etc. that means gypsies need 3 times as much to prove themselfes, and you dont consider them by their individuality but as group, you consider me only a bad person, because of my group affiliation if i were hungarian you wouldnt have this attachment that i have this negative traits BECUASE Im hungarian, like you think i live on aid BECUASE Im a gypsy. Actually I live on aid, but I dont have this tradition like you associate with gypsies to hate work, and self-segregate by not working, and keep away from normal life, like you attribute to the gypsies. I come from grandparents and parents who worked and taught me working values, you SAY that gypsies DONT WANT TO WORK BECAUSE they have a story or tradition that they hate work. Which is not true. And everyone can be on aid but it is not this story that they reject civilisation for nomadism which you attribute to gypsies.

Instead of blaming europeans, gypsies should look in the mirror because this is their fault that they didn't assimilated into the society, it had nothing to do with racism, interesting the medieval cuman migrants assimilated into the society very quickly but they were asian looking not european, so what? There was no racism in the medieval Europe, nobody cared about ethnicity or nationality only the religion and class did matter. Gypsies had 700-800 years to assimilate and they didn't want, it was their choice. Now the racism against gypsies is exist but it based on real life experience, in fact the gypsies are overrepresented in the crime statistics and most don't want to work, these are real societal phenomenon and every single romanian, serbian, bulgarian, macedonian, hungarian etc user can confirm it. This victim role is the reason that the things are not changing, because gypsies can't face their own faults.

you probably like the punk next door, who drinks and takes drugs as long he shits on gypsies and is racist hungarian

You described urban liberals very well and i dont like this class.

they are instantly evil

Nobody said that.

that means gypsies need 3 times as much to prove themselfes

Not true.

you dont consider me european, you probably never would even if i had a job

I have black friend and i consider him hungarian/european because he live like other hungarians, he is university student, he has totally european behaviour/mentality and normal part of the society. But i know such turkish person too. No one has problem with them so just try it.

[Mortimer]

Instead of blaming europeans, gypsies should look in the mirror because this is their fault that they didn't assimilated into the society, it had nothing to do with racism, interesting the medieval cuman migrants assimilated into the society very quickly but they were asian looking not european, so what? There was no racism in the medieval Europe, nobody cared about ethnicity or nationality only the religion and class did matter. Gypsies had 700-800 years to assimilate and they didn't want, it was their choice. Now the racism against gypsies is exist but it based on real life experience, in fact the gypsies are overrepresented in the crime statistics and most don't want to work, these are real societal phenomenon and every single romanian, serbian, bulgarian, macedonian, hungarian etc user can confirm it. This victim role is the reason that the things are not changing, because gypsies can't face their own faults.



You described urban liberals very well and i dont like this class.



Nobody said that.



Not true.



I have black friend and i consider him hungarian/european because he live like other hungarians, he is university student, he has totally european behaviour/mentality and normal part of the society. But i know such turkish person too. No one has problem with them so just try it.

You assume I dont behave "normal" and you say you have a problem with me. Lets leave it at that.