Burmese or Filipinos: who is more Caucasoid?

[Ascended]

Some Burmese look like slant eyed Bengalis tbh

[Kaazi]

SE asian group averages. Thais and burmese seem to be the most caucasoid shifted while filipinos and vietnamese the least.

Didn't know Thais have higher West Eurasian ratio than Burmese. SE Asian natives doesn't seem to have any imprint from European/Arab colonials/invaders.

[Thambi]

Do you think its strange that the Vizayan sample doesn't show any Iberian but some South Asian admixture (Iran N/BMAC and Steppe)?

yeah i tried with iberian plus euro populations overall like irish, english, russian, greek, etc along with Iranian populations without any AASI like the mazandaranis/lors/fars to avoid any pull. All the SE samples get iranian rather than any euro mix. So almost all the west eurasian influence in SE asia is from south asia. I dont think its too strange but what i do find weird is luzon getting no such mix. However as you mentioned, it could be cause vizayans are geographically closer to indonesia.

[Thambi]

Didn't know Thais have higher West Eurasian ratio than Burmese. SE Asian natives doesn't seem to have any imprint from European/Arab colonials/invaders.

there are only 3 burmese samples so that could be it. On gedmatch, burmese definitely are more caucasoid shifted than thais. I've seen burmese with good amount of baloch before. not just that quarter south asian leaning sample i shared.

Also the thai samples seem to be overly southern thai or something on G25. northern and bangkok thais will certainly have lower south asian mix than the thai average above.

[Trouble]

So Thais have West Eurasian admixture??

[Maguzanci]

SE asian group averages. Thais and burmese seem to be the most caucasoid shifted while filipinos and vietnamese the least.

You forgot to add the Malays but they also have higher Caucasoid than Pinos:

Distance: 1.5533% / 0.01553266
Target: Malay
43.3 MYS_LN
41.5 TWN_Hanben
5.6 AASI_1
4.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA
2.8 CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA
1.7 LAO_LN_BA
1.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Even the two Cambodian individuals I posted above are around 4-6% Caucasoid which is higher than the Filipinos

Distance: 1.7371% / 0.01737063
Target: Cambodian:HGDP00711
38.2 LAO_LN_BA
34.2 MYS_LN
8.8 TWN_Hanben
6.5 Dai
5.0 AASI_1
3.6 CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA
3.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA


Distance: 2.0994% / 0.02099438
Target: Cambodian:HGDP00713
43.7 LAO_LN_BA
22.1 Dai
17.4 MYS_LN
4.4 AASI_3
4.4 TWN_Hanben
3.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
2.7 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.1 CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA


Heck look at these two most Caucasoid-shifted Thai individuals who around 11 to almost 13% West Eurasian. Filipinos would died to have this amount of Caucasoid from their Spanish admixture lmao.

Distance: 1.7085% / 0.01708475
Target: ThaiCH002
33.5 MYS_LN
20.1 CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA
19.3 Dai
8.7 AASI_3
6.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.9 TKM_Gonur1_BA
5.9 TWN_Hanben

Distance: 1.9705% / 0.01970503
Target: ThaiCH006
37.2 MYS_LN
25.4 Dai
10.5 CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA
8.9 LAO_LN_BA
6.3 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.1 AASI_3
4.4 TKM_Gonur1_BA
1.2 AASI_2

P.S- I decided to add the MYS_LN as it gives better fits for the Malays and Thais, also I added three AASI samples that is AASI_1 (Simulated by Matt), AASI_2 (Simulated by Traject) and AASI_3 (Hakkipikki- simulated by DMXX) to get better estimates for the actual amount of AASI ancestry in SE Asians: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....tes-(-Updates)

Most Filipinos have like only 1-5% Caucasoid but I think I seen more of those who have only 1-3% than those who are 4-5%. Pinoys who have like 10% West Eurasian or more seems pretty rare.

[Trouble]

My guess is Burmese AASI coming from Onge while Thai from the subcontinent

[Maguzanci]

Didn't know Thais have higher West Eurasian ratio than Burmese. SE Asian natives doesn't seem to have any imprint from European/Arab colonials/invaders.

I think it depends on where the Thai samples are from. I think Northern Thais/Kham Mueang and locals from Northern Isaan (Southern Isaan used to be part of Khmer Empire so I think they will be much more like Cambodians) will have a lot lower West Eurasian than the Burmese. Because I saw Laotian individuals on Gedmatch and they have very low South Asian and almost zero West Eurasian unlike the Thais. So I assume the Northern Thai and Northern Isaan individuals will be similar to the Laotians in terms of their Caucasoid admixture.

Some Indonesians and Malaysian do have Arab or West Asian input while Pinoys mainly have European but that's it.

[Thambi]

My guess is Burmese AASI coming from Onge while Thai from the subcontinent

yeah that seems to be the case. AASI and west eurasian are roughly similar among thais, with some having more west eurasian/aasi ratio. i guess they had influence from the south indian midcastes to northern brahmins.

[Maguzanci]

there are only 3 burmese samples so that could be it. On gedmatch, burmese definitely are more caucasoid shifted than thais. I've seen burmese with good amount of baloch before. not just that quarter south asian leaning sample i shared.

Also the thai samples seem to be overly southern thai or something on G25. northern and bangkok thais will certainly have lower south asian mix than the thai average above.

What's sucks is that there are very little Burmese kits on Gedmatch compared to other SE Asians. On the other hand, Philipino gedmatch kits are so numerous and most of them have very little Caucasoid. There are even more Indonesians on Gedmatch than kits from Myanmar.

They couldl be Southern Thais or they could come from Western part of Thailand near the border with Burma like Tak, Kanchanaburi, Ratchaburi, Phetchaburi, etc. Northern Thais definitely have lower South Asian admix because they seem to be predominantly Dai-like genetically but not Bangkok Thais. I actually have seen a lot of Bangkok Thai kits who have the same amount South Asian ancestry as the Thai average.