North africans who don't look berber/north africans

[Kamal900]

Georgians/Transcaucasians:




Turkish/Balkan:




Western Europeans:





East-Med in general including the Levant:

[XenophobicPrussian]

Georgians/Transcaucasians:




Turkish/Balkan:




Western Europeans:





East-Med in general including the Levant:

First one in "Western Europeans" looks Turkish or Balkan, last one looks Berberid with blue eyes. Agree with the rest of the analysis.

[dududud]

They looks like what they are: berbers, depigmented or "pigmented".

[gixajo]

Well guess what, North Africa is genetically Middle-Eastern. Unless you mean "look very specifically ultra Berber"(like Thomas Rohler looks very specifically German, but he can pass in other countries) then okay, I agree, but that isn't what you said. Everyone here except the full SSAs(and the half-SSA looking ones too) and a few of the Euro ones absolutely pass fine, and you also called quite better passing in Europe North Africans in the other thread "Berber-looking", so yes, to me you're biased, but that's nothing new for this forum.

You are in this forum too.

[Kamal900]

Well guess what, North Africa is genetically Middle-Eastern. Unless you mean "look very specifically ultra Berber"(like Thomas Rohler looks very specifically German, but he can pass in other countries) then okay, I agree, but that isn't what you said. Everyone here except the full SSAs(and the half-SSA looking ones too) and a few of the Euro ones absolutely pass fine, and you also called quite better passing in Europe North Africans in the other thread "Berber-looking", so yes, to me you're biased, but that's nothing new for this forum.

Well, not exactly. Maghrebis belong in their own genetic cluster that is close but distinct from the middle east, esp the South-West Asiatic biogeographical region or clustering that consists of Egyptians, Southern Levantines and Arabians. Outside of the Maghreb region, the ancient Guanches for example cluster with South-West Asiatics, not to North-West Asiatics like Turks, Caucasians, Persians, Kurds and so on.

Distance to:	Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.02140125	Moroccan_North
0.02343083	Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.03152961	Mozabite
0.04341673	Tunisian
0.04365939	Berber_Tunisia_Sen
0.04423089	Algerian
0.05516884	Moroccan
0.05533454	Berber_MAR_ERR
0.06177543	Saharawi
0.06684666	Libyan
0.06844407	Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.10696785	Egyptian
0.13649502	BedouinA
0.14599665	Libyan_Jew
0.14709200	Tunisian_Jew
0.14815335	Moroccan_South
0.14889356	Moroccan_Jew
0.14987081	Palestinian
0.15186515	Jordanian
0.15883508	Yemenite_Dhamar
0.16216317	Spanish_Canarias
0.16249740	Yemenite_Amran
0.16449875	Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.16951868	Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.16994430	Sephardic_Jew
0.17049457	Maltese
0.17110155	BedouinB
0.17182110	Italian_Jew
0.17236822	Syrian
0.17265900	Romaniote_Jew
0.17339419	Iraqi
0.17427029	Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.17461180	Syrian_Jew
0.17504295	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.17560753	Karaite_Egypt
0.17594341	Yemenite_Jew
0.17643391	Lebanese_Muslim
0.17934394	Saudi
0.17943897	Ashkenazi_Poland
0.17981968	Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.18056879	Sicilian_West
0.18079728	Yemenite_Mahra
0.18095879	Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.18123990	Ashkenazi_Russia
0.18201714	Samaritan
0.18241793	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.18246278	Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.18357125	Lebanese_Christian
0.18376409	Lebanese_Druze
0.18555316	Sicilian_East
0.18595749	Italian_Calabria
0.18640763	Druze
0.18886661	Cypriot
0.18926461	Italian_Campania
0.19048521	Portuguese
0.19089434	Spanish_Extremadura
0.19218946	Italian_Basilicata
0.19309393	Italian_Apulia
0.19420498	Spanish_Andalucia
0.19464461	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.19500738	Italian_Abruzzo
0.19502835	Greek_Crete
0.19551769	Spanish_Murcia
0.19564826	Spanish_Galicia
0.19594386	Greek_Kos
0.19659916	Italian_Lazio
0.19795961	Italian_Molise
0.19879363	Italian_Umbria
0.19937026	Spanish_Asturias
0.19989437	Italian_Marche
0.20067230	Roma_Barcelona
0.20093446	Iraqi_Jew
0.20120837	French_Corsica
0.20131091	Greek_Izmir
0.20175346	Spanish_Alacant
0.20194378	Roma_Madrid
0.20261073	Italian_Tuscany
0.20267334	Italian_Liguria
0.20314236	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.20320629	Spanish_Eivissa
0.20373596	Roma_Granada
0.20380557	Spanish_Menorca
0.20555545	Spanish_Valencia
0.20590579	Spanish_Baleares
0.20592738	Spanish_Cataluna
0.20611148	Greek_Peloponnese
0.20648832	Iranian_Jew
0.20666855	Greek_Thessaly
0.20685806	Italian_Piedmont
0.20701652	Swiss_Italian
0.20719514	Turkish_Adana
0.20758395	Spanish_Aragon
0.20828988	Spanish_Mallorca
0.20851106	Sardinian
0.20853050	Roma_Bilbao
0.20887842	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.20892641	Mountain_Jew
0.20944844	Turkish_Kayseri
0.20949046	Turkish_Istanbul
0.20951659	Greek_Central_Macedonia

Levantines in general belong in between these two Asiatic clusters with Palestinians and Jordanian Muslims in the Northern South-West Asiatic cluster while Syrians and Lebanese in the North.

[Hamilcar]

Well guess what, North Africa is genetically Middle-Eastern. Unless you mean "look very specifically ultra Berber"(like Thomas Rohler looks very specifically German, but he can pass in other countries) then okay, I agree, but that isn't what you said. Everyone here except the full SSAs(and the half-SSA looking ones too) and a few of the Euro ones absolutely pass fine, and you also called quite better passing in Europe North Africans in the other thread "Berber-looking", so yes, to me you're biased, but that's nothing new for this forum.

How is it middle eastern ? IBM is specifically north african, EEF peaks in europe, SSA is SSA, natufian/Iran_N are present at low levels , steppe ancestry came from europe and same for WHG ...


"you also called quite better passing in Europe North Africans in the other thread "Berber-looking" I invite you to show me examples because maybe you're biased and think that all berbers look somewhat like upper egyptians and if I was that biased I wouldn't have posted all these euro looking north africans here.

[gixajo]

They looks like what they are: berbers, depigmented or "pigmented".

The individuals in these photos have enough variation in features to tell that they all look like the same.

[Hamilcar]

They looks like what they are: berbers, depigmented or "pigmented".

nope some of them have high amoung of ssa ancestry which make them to be similar to sub-saharan populations genetically and physically they are not just "pigmented"

[Hamilcar]

Georgians/Transcaucasians:


Turkish/Balkan:

Western Europeans:


East-Med in general including the Levant:

I agree with everything except that these two would also pass easily in Iberia imo :

[Kamal900]

nope some of them have high amoung of ssa ancestry which make them to be similar to sub-saharan populations genetically and physically they are not just "pigmented"

He's just trolling with you.