Northern Moldavian Romanians

[aherne]

Remember even that guy from Glodeni. Add a "k" at the end, change the "e" to "y" and look it up on Forebears. Not to mention that it doesn't mean shit in Romanian.

Do you actually speak Romanian? This is a normal Romanian word (synonym of "noroi") of East Slavic origin, hence the expression "inglodat in datorii"... As for -eni ending, although it's of Slavic origin, it only occurs in Romanian placenames, so Glodeni makes total sense in Romanian as "people who leave in a muddy place".

As for Slavic influence in Northern Moldovans (incl. those from Republic) it's very significant, but still not majority!

Students from Suceava:

https://info-suceava.com/wp-content/...e-studenti.jpg

People from Vaslui:



People from Botosani:

[Ion Basescul]

As for Slavic influence in Northern Moldovans (incl. those from Republic) it's very significant, but still not majority!

The toponym name is not that relevant as people come and go. Glodeni is a district (our smaller administrative version of your counties).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloden...#Ethnic_groups

Regarding the Slavic influence, it's more or less the same throughout Republic of Moldova, but with dips in the South. If I were to go by the K13 calculator, a sum in the range of 48% to 58% for North Atlantic and Baltic components should capture about 90% of the genetic variety for people in my database who identify as ethnic Moldovan/Romanian. And they are more likely as a rule of thumb to receive close single distance values on Vahaduo (<5) not only for at least one Moldovan region, but also others in Europe. If this condition is not met, then it is clear that the ancestry is more complicated.

There are already enough samples in the database to paint a clear picture that for 1/2 Ukrainian/Polish/Russian, 1/2 Moldovan/Romanian ethnics, with origins in the Centre or North of the country, the sum of North Atlantic and Baltic starts at about 61%.

Name	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
Chisinau, 1/2 Ukrainian, 1/2 Anenii Noi Moldovan/Romanian	26.26	33.97	14.46	9.06	10.53	2.04	0	1.08	1.77	0.59	0	0	0.24
Chisinau, 1/2 Ukrainian, 1/2 Moldovan/Romanian	27.63	33.24	15.42	11.43	5.47	1.61	2.91	0	1.72	0.26	0	0	0.29
Chisinau, 1/2 Ukrainian, 1/2 Donduseni Moldovan/Romanian	25.55	34.53	14.72	9.26	8.90	1.34	2.91	0	2.60	0	0.17	0	0
Daos_dad, 1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Polish	22.11	39.39	12.60	7.73	8.94	2.67	3.34	0.58	0.76	1.18	0.69	0	0
Bălți, 10/16 Ukrainian, 6/16 Moldovan/Romanian	27.18	36.15	11.95	9.09	9.72	2.43	0.98	0	2.06	0	0.22	0.23	0
1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Ukrainian Sovietscoe Transnistria	25.56	37.62	13.38	6.59	11.84	0.66	1.22	1.12	0.60	0.38	0.42	0	0.60
Chisinau, 1/2 Soviet Russian migrant, 1/2 Moldovan/Romanian	24.71	38.41	11.97	10.18	6.87	1.90	0.11	0.25	4.56	0.14	0.49	0.11	0.31
1/2 Moldovan (Ungheni, Edinet), 1/2 Russian (Izmail, Ukraine)	24.12	37.75	12.57	3.55	14.93	2.29	0.71	0.43	0.48	3.17	0	0	0

Therefore, at about 61%+ it gets into very recent (full ethnic parent level) mixed territory.

Starting from around 64%, we have individuals who identify as solely ethnic Ukrainians.

Name	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
Sovietscoe, Transnistria, Ukrainian	24.82	40.06	14.14	5.78	8.66	1.42	1.15	0	1.83	0.97	0	0.65	0.49
Chisinau, Ukrainian	23.24	42.33	14.39	7.53	6.33	0	1.22	0	2.70	0.62	0.07	1.10	0.47
2/4 Malinovscoe, 1/4 Danu, 1/4 Poltava UA, Ukrainian	25.50	39.14	13.68	10.09	7.49	0.57	0.24	0.75	1.75	0	0.39	0.10	0.30
Dubasari, Volhynia/Kharkhiv, Ukrainian	24.49	40.51	12.86	5.03	10.83	1.66	1.63	1.55	0	0.54	0.12	0.77	0
Ribnita, Transnistria, Ukrainian	26.60	36.87	14.39	5.74	9.35	2.31	0.72	0.60	1.58	0	1.22	0.50	0.09

This is not some kind of untested hypothesis, but the conclusion after thousands of hours of hard work talking to people and crunching the numbers. It is also backed up by what can be seen on commercial tests (see my 23andme thread for example), where people offer family trees, locations and openly talk about the ethnicity of ancestors.

And as mentioned, people of very recent mixed ethnic origins (1/2 and in rarer cases 1/4, while 1/8+ should be impossible to detect unless something very distinct like Jewish or Roma) are easy to spot by elevated distances (>5) to any population in Europe.

Ion Basescul_mom_MyHeritage,19.44,37.30,15.60,10.04,13 .19,0.47,0.95,1.49,0.28,0.41,0.82,0,0

Distance to:	IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
5.86180859	Moldova_North
6.87753590	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
7.60333479	Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.07523374	Bosniak_Krajina
8.17120554	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
8.18280514	Moldova_average
8.31579822	Moldova_Centre
8.86507755	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.99295836	Bosniak
9.09351967	Serb_north

Floresti_1,24.07,36.26,9.74,8.78,16.00,1.82,0,2.47 ,0.19,0.54,0.12,0,0

Distance to:	Floresti_1
6.93085132	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
7.10315423	Moldova_North
7.49439124	Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.50041332	Croat_East
8.03336791	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
8.30858592	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.47178848	Romania_Moldavia_North
8.53179348	Moldova_Centre
8.56610180	Croat_Littoral
8.69994828	Bosniak

AneniiNoi_1,22.19,35.55,15.80,5.01,14.63,1.08,2.73 ,0,1.21,0.49,0.57,0,0.75

Distance to:	AneniiNoi_1
5.95206687	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.17434207	Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.27155483	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
6.35509245	Moldova_North
6.55263306	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.09122697	Bosniak
7.10608190	Bosniak_Krajina
7.13553782	Croat_Littoral
7.41407445	Serb_north
7.51958111	Moldova_Centre

Eurogenes_DN1116786,22.31,39.93,9.28,7.66,7.37,1.0 2,9.10,0,0.98,1.17,0,0,1.13

Distance to:	Eurogenes_DN1116786
10.29051991	Ukrainian_Lviv
11.09772950	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
11.10138280	Ukrainian
11.72077216	Southwest_Russian
11.77313042	Ukrainian_Belgorod
12.16379464	South_Polish
12.44462535	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
12.64193814	Russian
12.77160207	Slovak
13.03501438	Moldova_North

Eurogenes_GG5842270,24.44,36.05,15.39,10.94,7.53,0 .73,2.03,0,1.21,1.19,0.51,0,0

Distance to:	Eurogenes_GG5842270
5.64156893	Moldova_North
5.64898221	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.51202733	Croat_East
6.84415809	Bosniak_Krajina
7.48530560	Croat
7.51547071	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.76306640	Hungarian_Alföld
7.83928568	Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.05418525	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
8.36253550	Croat_Littoral

And this is not a case of necessarily just scoring higher North Atlantic and Baltic values, since for others in this upper boundary range (see below) the distances are quite sweet. It is rather due to the recent (1/2, and in rarer cases 1/4) admixture creating weird values for each individual component and when looked at as a whole are very different from unmixed people anywhere in Europe.

Briceni_Lipcani,22.85,36.30,13.11,9.12,13.06,1.59, 0,0,2.69,1.27,0,0,0

Distance to:	Briceni_Lipcani
3.24659822	Moldova_North
4.17876776	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
5.47355460	Croat_East
5.55783231	Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.06364577	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
6.11462182	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.53837900	Bosniak_Krajina
6.81428646	Moldova_Centre
6.87852455	Croat_Littoral
6.88622538	Moldova_average

Balti_13,22.65,36.26,13.43,10.10,11.95,0.03,0.81,0 ,1.38,1.56,0.72,0,1.12

Distance to:	Balti_13
3.40699281	Moldova_North
4.15948314	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
5.82537552	Croat_East
5.90470152	Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.35592637	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
6.41042900	Bosniak_Krajina
6.58600030	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.14083328	Moldova_Centre
7.19953471	Croat_Littoral
7.21411810	Moldova_average

Ocnita_1,25.71,33.18,17.93,8.07,10.11,2.87,0.67,0, 1.40,0,0,0,0

Distance to:	Ocnita_1
3.37699571	Bosniak_Krajina
4.71677856	Croat_Littoral
4.72461639	Croat
4.78304296	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
4.78322067	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
5.00537711	Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.04639475	Moldova_North
5.15081547	Croat_East
5.37986989	Hungarian_Alföld
5.39173441	Bosniak

Falesti_2,26.22,34.90,12.85,10.54,10.96,1.08,0.09, 1.83,0,0.52,0.41,0,0.59

Distance to:	Falesti_2
3.44232480	Croat_East
3.56293418	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.13069001	Moldova_North
4.88179270	Croat
5.36511882	Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.48552641	Bosniak_Krajina
5.57807314	Hungarian_Alföld
5.65593494	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
5.71320400	Croat_Littoral
6.43025660	Hungarian_Northern

I've only focused on Republic of Moldova in this post, but there are examples like that in Northern Moldavia from Romania too.

[Roy]

Why are Romanians surprisingly swarthy for their relatively northern position?

They are noticeably darker haired than Poles. And I spotted a look alike of Ryujin who is from Turkey, albeit he's among the European looking Turks.

[wd1089]

Are these results typical for someone from Bucovina? I.e. me?

Eurogenes K13



Eurogenes K15



Pics:

[Norb]

By culture or DNA? Most people don’t even care about dna

cucks don't care about DNA

[Ion Basescul]

Are these results typical for someone from Bucovina? I.e. me?

Hard to tell because you didn't say what your ethnicity is. You describe your meta as Slavic in the profile, so I assume Ukrainian? Can you post the K13 values, like North Atlantic, Baltic, Med, etc.?

[wd1089]

Hard to tell because you didn't say what your ethnicity is. You describe your meta as Slavic in the profile, so I assume Ukrainian? Can you post the K13 values, like North Atlantic, Baltic, Med, etc.?

I don't know how to describe my ethnicity. I was born in the southern bit of Bucovina. My y-dna is YP263. Mtdna is N1b1.

[Ion Basescul]

I don't know how to describe my ethnicity. I was born in the southern bit of Bucovina. My y-dna is YP263. Mtdna is N1b1.

So Suceava county?
It looks like you are Romanian to me. Is this the native language of your parents?
Such results are common in the region among Romanians, but Ukrainians from Northern Bukovina score differently.

[wd1089]

So Suceava county?
It looks like you are Romanian to me. Is this the native language of your parents?
Such results are common in the region among Romanians, but Ukrainians from Northern Bukovina score differently.

Thanks. That's hepful. Yes, Romanian is the native language of both parents. My mother's grandmother (born 1920) was from Chernivtsi and spoke Russian and her surname was Timciuc. My father's grandmother's surname was Miklos, which is Hungarian. My father's surname was Pitak (Romanianised to Pitac). My father's father's surname was Moldovan.

[Ion Basescul]

Thanks. That's hepful. Yes, Romanian is the native language of both parents. My mother's grandmother (born 1920) was from Chernivtsi and spoke Russian and her surname was Timciuc. My father's grandmother's surname was Miklos, which is Hungarian. My father's surname was Pitak (Romanianised to Pitac). My father's father's surname was Moldovan.

You are welcome.
This thread might be useful for you: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...tch-Results-v2