Why do people compare Spaniards with British so often in this forum?

**Dick** · 12-01-2020, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Another Wild Geese descendant was Leopoldo O'Donnell who was a Prime Minister of Spain. He was a descendant of Calvagh O'Donnell. Ireland lost a lot of her most important clan families which directly influenced the loss of the Gaelic language and clan influence in Ireland. So many of these families fled Ireland and it was a big loss. Colonialism didn't benefit Ireland and her most influential families fled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopoldo_O%27Donnell

The Flight of the Wild Geese benefited countries like France and Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

Fun fact; Guinness descends from McCartan clan and belongs to Y-haplogroup I2b1a, a typical British subclade of I.

**Gota_type_** · 12-01-2020, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by gixajo

What are your "single population sharing" results in K13? I don´t see your results very "British-shifted" at least in your K13 results.

For the moment in that competition wins Spaniard2.0. My mother used to score some English or Irish sometimes, but nothing special in k13:

Spoiler!

I always said (in the Spanish subforum) that MDLP gave rare results for me (and for many) but the rest of calculators I am inside the averages for Spain, although my NW composition is normally different from other Spaniards: I get more North Atlantic and less NorthSea than other Spaniards (that usually get more NorthSea than NorthAtlantic).

This is my K13 populations mixed:

Spoiler!

I guess the "Afghan" and the rest has to do with us Galicians retaining the oldest component better because we have less variability than other central or southern regions of Spain. I guess.

And this is my Dodecad K12b that someone says that represent better reality:

Spoiler!

I dont know why I get such distances.

And about the NW and considering all the NW components (NorthSea-NorthAtlantic-Fennoscandian) I get a bit higher than Spaniard 2.0, we already did this some months ago. I was like 21% summing these 3 in K36 and he was like 19-20% or something. But anyways I don´t have any foreign ancestor for sure for at least 500-1000 years (most probably), so it is normal that the averages tend to be convergent between most Spaniards.

**Gota_type_** · 12-01-2020, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

If you want to use a calculator without all the Spanish regions so that it gives you more outside countries use the EUtest and also it would be interesting to see your mixed mode population sharing. This was an older Eurogenes test but it doesn't have all the Spanish regions which will take up the majority of your results.

This is my EU Test and as you can see the population order makes more sense than what you would get on the MDLP K23.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.99
2 IE 3.66
3 Scottish 4.11
4 English 5.37
5 NL 5.7
6 Cornish 5.79
7 DK 5.93
8 NO 6.18
9 West_&_Central_German 6.45
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 6.83
11 North_Swedish 10.69
12 AT 13.54
13 FR 14.35
14 HU 18.25
15 South_Finnish 19.48
16 Serbian 21.2
17 PT 21.8
18 PL 21.94
19 ES 22.03
20 West_Russian 24.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.4% Scottish + 33.6% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.58
2 82.1% Orcadian + 17.9% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.66
3 71.7% IE + 28.3% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.69
4 64.5% Scottish + 35.5% NO @ 2.76
5 82.7% Orcadian + 17.3% NO @ 2.76
6 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% LIT @ 2.78
7 95.7% Orcadian + 4.3% EE @ 2.79
8 98% Orcadian + 2% Lezgin @ 2.84
9 92% Orcadian + 8% North_Swedish @ 2.85
10 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% Belorussian @ 2.86
11 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% PL @ 2.87
12 97.1% Orcadian + 2.9% Northwest_Russian @ 2.87
13 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% UA @ 2.88
14 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% West_Russian @ 2.89
15 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% GE @ 2.89
16 97.2% Orcadian + 2.8% Ukrainian-Russian @ 2.9
17 97.2% Orcadian + 2.8% East_Finnish @ 2.91
18 71.1% IE + 28.9% NO @ 2.91
19 96.5% Orcadian + 3.5% South_Finnish @ 2.91
20 98% Orcadian + 2% Erzya @ 2.93

This is my:

EUtest Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 27.05
2 WEST_MED 22.51
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.04
4 EAST_MED 11.16
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 7.97
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.55
7 MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.47
8 EAST_EURO 3.6
9 EAST_AFRICAN 1.65

Spoiler!

**Aldaris** · 12-01-2020, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by gixajo

I have had always the same flag in my avatar.

But I was born in the Bikini Bottom.

Yeah, in a way we all did.

**~~Luso~~** · 12-01-2020, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Aldaris

Yeah, in a way we all did.

we were all once fish

**Aldaris** · 12-01-2020, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Luso

we were all once fish

We still are cladistically. Anyhow, that wasn't the point of my cheesy joke.

**Grace O'Malley** · 12-01-2020, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

I always said (in the Spanish subforum) that MDLP gave rare results for me (and for many) but the rest of calculators I am inside the averages for Spain, although my NW composition is normally different from other Spaniards: I get more North Atlantic and less NorthSea than other Spaniards (that usually get more NorthSea than NorthAtlantic).

This is my K13 populations mixed:

Spoiler!

I guess the "Afghan" and the rest has to do with us Galicians retaining the oldest component better because we have less variability than other central or southern regions of Spain. I guess.

And this is my Dodecad K12b that someone says that represent better reality:

Spoiler!

I dont know why I get such distances.

And about the NW and considering all the NW components (NorthSea-NorthAtlantic-Fennoscandian) I get a bit higher than Spaniard 2.0, we already did this some months ago. I was like 21% summing these 3 in K36 and he was like 19-20% or something. But anyways I don´t have any foreign ancestor for sure for at least 500-1000 years (most probably), so it is normal that the averages tend to be convergent between most Spaniards.

That's the Gedmatch Dodecad K12b. Creoda said that the Vahaduo version is the updated one. Dodecad in Gedmatch is rubbish for me as you can see from my results.

You use this with the Dodecad K12b updated.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

**Grace O'Malley** · 12-01-2020, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

This is my:

EUtest Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 27.05
2 WEST_MED 22.51
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.04
4 EAST_MED 11.16
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 7.97
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.55
7 MIDDLE_EASTERN 4.47
8 EAST_EURO 3.6
9 EAST_AFRICAN 1.65

Spoiler!

It would be interesting to see the Mixed Mode on yours but your result does look very Spanish.

**Gota_type_** · 12-04-2020, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

It would be interesting to see the Mixed Mode on yours but your result does look very Spanish.

The mixed mode is there, just press the "Show" button. It is inside the spoiler. And yes, I have normal averages for a Spaniard, except in MDLP that gives rare results. I don´t have Vahaduo, so I can´t give the updated Dodecad. My paternal terminal halopgroup main population are Irish. Like 80% of the people with my terminal halopgroup are Irish, then English, French, and 3 Spanish. But, this does not mean other thing that we could be related in celtic times before any of these populations went to their destiny in different countries (so, before arriving in Spain 2500-3000 years ago).

**~~Trouble~~** · 12-04-2020, 06:59 PM

This is a mystery to me as well...people like Sick-Elliot kept claiming there was some Med link and was even surprised when some Irish person was closer to Scandos than to Spaniards. No one with any knowledge of these things should be surprised by that. English and especially Irish/Scottish are magnitudes closer to Norwegians than Portuguese.