Why do people compare Spaniards with British so often in this forum?

[gixajo]

I think sometimes it is good to take a break from this stuff. There is also the problem with trolls on this forum in particular. We are all human and sometimes you get caught up in it. This is the problem with Apricity. People can say virtually whatever they want and there is good and bad in that. You can say anything on here and there are some real wankers on here as well but you can have a virtually unmoderated discussion as well. Unfortunately some people do go out of their way to provoke.

My downfall is when I go on here when I've had a few and that is when I can get a bit argumentative. Anyway I'm trying to stay away from certain topics on here but I do like any genetics discussion.

Everything you say is an almost internet phenomenon.

Luckily this is not our reality, we have a life outside the internet.

For me, entering this forum is like going on vacation to a parallel world from another dimension.

Edit: Sorry, I wrote it in Spanish...

[gixajo]

I'm going crazy, I don't know what language I'm writing in, I'm going to have lunch.

[gixajo]

Anthropologique (it's a french word).

He was quite angry at people criticizing his ideas.




I don't pass spend my whole time here, and I create very rarely threads, so ... I don't care if people think I have an agenda or not.

I don't think that you have an agenda tbh.

I am not speaking about your agenda, but remembering when you accused me of having one.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everything you say is an almost internet phenomenon.

Luckily this is not our reality, we have a life outside the internet.

For me, entering this forum is like going on vacation to a parallel world from another dimension.

Edit: Sorry, I wrote it in Spanish...

What you said reminds me of this and yes it is a bit of another dimension when in here.



Or maybe the TARDIS is more apt? Anyway it can lead you down some strange paths on here and people with some very odd theories.

[Token]

While British and Spaniards are indeed genetically quite different from each other, there were undeniable cultural and economic links between the maritime communities of western Iberia and Britain during the Late Bronze Age and beyond. In fact, at the time of the so called 'Atlantic Bronze Age complex' the whole Atlantic coast of Europe were nearly indistinguishable in terms of material cultures. As Barry Cunliffe rightfully points out in 'Facing the Ocean: The Atlantic and its Peoples', these maritime communities have long looked north and south along the coast, not inland, to claim a common bond. Similarities were far deeper than some British shields in Iberia and Galician fibulae in Scotland as Cunliffe writes in 'Atlantic Seaways':

One of the more remarkable features of the Atlantic façade, which has
impressed archaeologists over the last hundred years, is the high degree of
cultural similarity displayed by the maritime communities from Galicia to
Scotland. Many characteristics have been chosen for discussion: here there is
time to select only a few for brief comment. Perhaps the most impressive is
the chevaux-de-frise – the arrangement of upstanding angular stones in
zones protecting the approaches to defended settlements. This highly
specialized phenomenon is well known in northern Iberia and occurs, albeit
sporadically, in Wales, Scotland and Ireland, the most dramatic example
being at Dún Aonghasa on the Aran Islands off the Atlantic coast of Ireland. It
is difficult to believe that so specialized a concept could have arisen
spontaneously in such far-flung regions.

Perphaps the most well-known elements of the Atlantic cultural system are the circular buildings and roundhouses (collectively known as castros in Spain and Portugal), and fortified settlements over steep cliffs:

Many writers have similarly been impressed by the ‘cliff castles’ found
along the entire Atlantic façade – promontories, often remote and windswept,
jutting out into the sea and defended by earthworks from a landward
approach. Physically these sites show a remarkable similarity and it is difficult
to resist the temptation to believe that the choice of location was to a large
extent conditioned by a desire to control the interface between land and sea.
In all probability these promontories were conceived of as liminal places and
as such were endowed with particular power. If so what we are seeing in the
distribution of ‘cliff castles’ is the physical manifestation of a belief system
shared along the Atlantic interface.

Another of the recurring themes is circularity in domestic architecture.
The ‘round house’ is the normal type of building throughout the British Isles
from the second millennium BC onwards, and in the more remote areas of the
west remained the dominant form even throughout the period of the Roman
occupation. Much the same phenomenon is apparent in north-west Iberia. In
Armorica, on the other hand, circularity is far less evident. What all this
means is difficult to judge but at the very least we must be observing another
manifestation of shared beliefs brought about by continuous contact over
thousands of years.

While arguing for 'physical similarities' between Atlantic populations is indeed stupid (like everything else concerning Apricitian astrological Anthropology variant), the idea of an Atlantic facade connection has nothing to do with Anthropologique et al. If this cultural uniformity involved population movements remains to be seen, but it most likely did given the high frequencies of R1b-L21 in west Iberia, especially in Galicia. In fact, west Iberians have enhanced fits in Global25 when you include Gaelic samples in the model:

[1] "distance%=0.8372"
Portuguese

Iberia_IA,64.2
Berber_EMA,11.2
Germanic_IA,10.8
Rome_Imperial,8.8
Levant_Roman,5


[1] "distance%=0.7035"
Portuguese

Iberia_IA,60.4
Berber_EMA,11
Iceland_Gaelic,10.4
Rome_Imperial,8.4
Levant_Roman,5
Germanic_IA,4.8

[Grace O'Malley]

While British and Spaniards are indeed genetically quite different from each other, there were undeniable cultural and economic links between the maritime communities of western Iberia and Britain during the Late Bronze Age and beyond. In fact, at the time of the so called 'Atlantic Bronze Age complex' the whole Atlantic coast of Europe were nearly indistinguishable in terms of material cultures. As Barry Cunliffe rightfully points out in 'Facing the Ocean: The Atlantic and its Peoples', these maritime communities have long looked north and south along the coast, not inland, to claim a common bond. Similarities were far deeper than some British shields in Iberia and Galician fibulae in Scotland as Cunliffe writes in 'Atlantic Seaways':



Perphaps the most well-known elements of the Atlantic cultural system are the circular buildings and roundhouses (collectively known as castros in Spain and Portugal), and fortified settlements over steep cliffs:



While arguing for 'physical similarities' between Atlantic populations is indeed stupid (like everything else concerning Apricitian astrological Anthropology variant), the idea of an Atlantic facade connection has nothing to do with Anthropologique et al. If this cultural uniformity involved population movements remains to be seen, but it most likely did given the high frequencies of R1b-L21 in west Iberia, especially in Galicia. In fact, west Iberians have enhanced fits in Global25 when you include Gaelic samples in the model:

[1] "distance%=0.8372"
Portuguese

Iberia_IA,64.2
Berber_EMA,11.2
Germanic_IA,10.8
Rome_Imperial,8.8
Levant_Roman,5


[1] "distance%=0.7035"
Portuguese

Iberia_IA,60.4
Berber_EMA,11
Iceland_Gaelic,10.4
Rome_Imperial,8.4
Levant_Roman,5
Germanic_IA,4.8

I've often wondered about L21 in Western Norway i.e. whether it is due to Gaels or older. There is quite a significant amount of L21 in Western Norway and I think there is too much to explain from Gaels IMO but it is interesting.

[Parça do Neymar]

Apricitians are the kind of people that liked to spell "Atlantic Facade" and "R1brotherhood" in the alphabet soup as kids.

[gixajo]

Bonjour mademoiselle je m'appelle Kevin Francois DeBurgh. Voulez-vous parlez francais avec moi ?

I don't necessarily trust these genetic calculators but I have a hiberno-norman name and they would have been a mix of Scandinavian and French or even Spanish maybe through France. G25 tells me that there is a Spanish connection but the Scandinavian connection is apparently much stronger :


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Spanish Soria province, is one of the Spanish references that score higher in WHG (Basques and close neighbours apart). This can be the main reason why you score in this province specifically.

[gixajo]

If the basic idea of ​​the Atlantic coast theory is that in ancient times some of the coastal peoples of western Europe had a genetic and cultural connection, I do not see anything eccentric or unusual in this theory.

Whether that connection is easily observable today is more debatable.

Although I think very residual links, or small clues that such a thing was indeed we can still find.

[Token]

I've often wondered about L21 in Western Norway i.e. whether it is due to Gaels or older. There is quite a significant amount of L21 in Western Norway and I think there is too much to explain from Gaels IMO but it is interesting.

There were so many times of contact between west Norway and Britain that it is difficult to say. At this point i'm very skeptical of any simplified romanticist narratives, ancient Europe was very messy with people moving around a lot. L21 could have been brought to Norway by Bell Beakers, Bronze age Brits, Gaelic thralls, Norse-Gaels and Normans returning home, etc. Looking at subclades might be helpful.