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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    Notice pockets of orthodox people still existing west of Bug (1920s):

    http://wlaczpolske.pl/pliczki/2043

    Read more about Red Ruthenia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ruthenia
    I saw this so it's time to clear up some things.
    1. The sources of the quote are right but they don't prove there were many Ukrainians since there are Orthodox Poles as well.
    2. Ukrainians were also moved after WWII
    3. Actually for period you show there were more Jews than Ukrainians

    Here is ethnic table based on 1934 census

    http://teatrnn.pl/leksykon/artykuly/...iedzywojennym/

    Of course there were many but as I don't have access to my laptop I will try to post more next week. I will look for some more info not only about Ukrainians but also Jews and Germans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleksi View Post
    also Jews and Germans
    But remember that part of them lived in Siedleckie
    (ex kongr.woy. Podlaskie => ex gub.Siedlecka =>
    later woy.Siedleckie), not part of the Lubelland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    But remember that part of them lived in Siedleckie
    (ex kongr.woy. Podlaskie => ex gub.Siedlecka =>
    later woy.Siedleckie), not part of the Lubelland.
    It was part of Lubelskie Voievoidship in interwar period and that's the clue of this thread, so I won't exclude them, I plan to make a map based on the data from the table from the link I posted, I can make version without powiats which are not anymore part of Lubelland as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleksi View Post
    Lubelskie Voievoidship in interwar period
    A... ok, I didn;t get that part

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    Map of Ukrainians by percentage of each part(region) of voievoidship
    More intense color higher percentage of Ukrainians, in this map color intensifies with each 10%



    As you can see, it debunks myth of Ukrainians only in areas of former Red Ruthenia, since there were regions with almost none presence(Zamość) and there were regions outside Red Ruthenia with high percentage(Biała Podlaska)

    Edit: I made a mistake in rewriting data so the true percentage of Ukrainians in all voievoidship is 8,52%
    Last edited by Satem; 11-29-2020 at 02:54 PM.

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    Here are also the maps for Jews and Germans.




    The map of Germans has a bit different scale, the color gets darker after each 5%. I forgot to add the data for all voievoidship it is 19812 Germans which gave 0,8% of all people in 1934.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleksi View Post
    And now add the polonized ones. You will have much more, especially in the north

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    And now add the polonized ones. You will have much more, especially in the north
    I haven't found such data for. In theory I can look for people with some surnames in nazwiska-polskie.pl and make huge database but these people can be genetically within Polish spectrum with just German surname as well. Btw I am from Międzyrzec and I haven't heard much about Germans or Polgermans in the area to be honest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleksi View Post
    In theory I can look for people with some surnames
    That's the way... only it is hard to say what number was correct in 30s.
    Theoretically population was smaller than today BUT some families were
    bigger than today in that area, as later many people emigrated.

    But it could make a huge difference on your map showing real share of non
    aboriginal people. Data from the census shows protestants and new, recent,
    very recent colonists who arrived not so long before census was made.

    Btw, where did you get the blank map?

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    Btw, similar thing you can do with russkies, counting at least all -uks, -enkos, itp, but
    in this case could be both, as it was an area where mazovian people could adopt eastern
    suffixes and vice versa. On your map, there is no russkies in Sokołówshire, but they certainly
    were, but all of them sooner or later became unionists, then catholics, then they got polonized.
    They lived +/- to the Liw-Nur line, some even further west as far as Kosów called Ruski for example.

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