Are Sicilians 'pardos' in Brazil?

[luc2112]

J2 is an haplogroup, you know what it means ?

It means that it's only a fraction of DNA, and you can't infer phenotype from it. And even with genes, we can totally fail to predict how someone will look like, example : eye genes, companies like 23andme can only give you probabilities.

29.65%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilians

I didn't understand where the "problem" in accepting this is

[Seya]

29.65%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilians

I didn't understand where the "problem" in accepting this is

he means that your ydna cannot dictate your phenotype because it's an tiny part of our dna that cannot even be counted anymore

[luc2112]

I don’t think Brazilians themselves know how to identify pardo. I made a post on 23andMe and one said I looked pardo lol:

I mean clearly I didn’t know what it meant till this lol:

In practice they are not confused, look at the first photo I posted (south european "olive")

[Parça do Neymar]

So basically anyone who doesn't look Scandinavian is a 'Pardo'? I don't think this is true.

I'm sure a few of them see Michael Jackson's physical changes as an inspiration and main motivation to keep going, but most are just trolling.

[luc2112]

he means that your ydna cannot dictate your phenotype because it's an tiny part of our dna that cannot even be counted anymore

In the case of southern Italians is dictate:

[luc2112]

So basically anyone who doesn't look Scandinavian is a 'Pardo'? I don't think this is true.

Some are uninformed and would call European olive-skin of brown:

Southern European is not confused with brown here:

[Parça do Neymar]

29.65%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilians

I didn't understand where the "problem" in accepting this is

Could be 100% or 0%, Y-DNA is just a very small fraction of what determines a phenotype.

I'm pretty sure 50% of Brazilians are R1b and we look nothing like the Irish people.

[Radimir]

I'm sure a few of them see Michael Jackson's physical changes as an inspiration and main motivation to keep going, but most are just trolling.

To be fair, Michael Jackson looked Whiter than some Europeans, I have seen. Just look at him next to some Brazilians.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Esse thread virou uma putaria. Mas primeiramente, eu gostaria de dizer que eu não estou trolando como o Luc aí. Até porque pra mim é óbvio que a vasta maioria dos sicilianos seria considerada branca no Brasil, até nos Estados Unidos já são, então não tenho dúvidas quanto ao perfil branco deles.

No entanto ainda assim, pra mostrar que as coisas não são branco no branco ou preto no preto, essa youtuber negra brasileira que mora na Itália há anos fala aos 17:45 minutos do vídeo que alguns Sul Italianos podem ser vistos como mestiços. Quem souber português vai entender... No geral é uma definição muito ampla e depende de cada um, pra mim William Bonner e Fernando Henrique podem passar por pardo se assim quiserem, então fodase.



Não concordo com muitas coisas que ela fala, mas fica aí a visão de uma mulher negra retinta sobre o assunto desse thread. E pra mim europeus podem sim serem vistos como pardos em determinadas situações, isso não significa que todo pardo pareça um europeu.

[luc2112]

Could be 100% or 0%, Y-DNA is just a very small fraction of what determines a phenotype.

I'm pretty sure 50% of Brazilians are R1b and we look nothing like the Irish people.

R1b it is southern european (brown eyes and hair) yes we have features (except in the state of Ceara, which had some genetic accidents)