Classify Iranian Zoroastrians - don't be lazy. Click on the link and comment

[Randommembr]

All ethnic Persians (Note speaking Persian does not make you automatically a ethnic Persian) originate ultimately from the same genetic core. And this core moved from the northern Zagros regions into the Southern regions. Modern Persians have varying degree of admixture. But the core is still at 90% the same as Dr. Maul pointed out.

Ah ok. You are suggesting 90pervent of their genes are similar? Are Iranian Zoroastrians "ethnic Persians too"? That explains why all Persians look so similar regardless of region or religion.(would you agree) The slight differences are the 10 percent admixture or the harsh climate. Bone structure, features etc are very uniform.

[Demhat]

Ah ok. You are suggesting 90pervent of their genes are similar? Are Iranian Zoroastrians "ethnic Persians too"? That explains why all Persians look so similar regardless of region or religion.(would you agree) The slight differences are the 10 percent admixture or the harsh climate. Bone structure, features etc are very uniform.

The 5-10% differences are natural diversity in any ethnic group. Also called genetic noise. Even without admixture from outside a "pure" population would still show around 5% genetic noise differences. So part of it is natural diversity. Only maybe 5% of it is really difference in additional admixture.

[Dr_Maul]

Truth to be told I have never seen a Persian from Kerman or Fars hitting 10-15 South Asian or Levantine admixture if they did not have reported non Persian ancestry.
To be fair I have seen some Persians from Fars hitting a little extra Levantine like admixture. But it was more on the 5% range.

On the Iranian GEDmatch thread, there were a couple results posted by Thambi I believe mainly from Kerman scoring 85 or 90% Persian/Kurdish + 10% NW Indian/Pakistani
These results are a minority obviously, but I don't think they don't exist. Shirazi people are pretty susceptible to this. Its also definitely more oriented towards Pakistani/Afghan populations (the 10%) rather than the Levant

[Dr_Maul]

Truth to be told I have never seen a Persian from Kerman or Fars hitting 10-15 South Asian or Levantine admixture if they did not have reported non Persian ancestry.
To be fair I have seen some Persians from Fars hitting a little extra Levantine like admixture. But it was more on the 5% range.

This is my own K12b, although as someone with Bushehr ancestry its not surprising
1 87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49
7 88.8% Iranians (Behar) + 11.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.88
8 89% Iranians (Behar) + 11% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.92
Sure those aren't fully Levantine but its close enough I would say

[Demhat]

On the Iranian GEDmatch thread, there were a couple results posted by Thambi I believe mainly from Kerman scoring 85 or 90% Persian/Kurdish + 10% NW Indian/Pakistani
These results are a minority obviously, but I don't think they don't exist. Shirazi people are pretty susceptible to this. Its also definitely more oriented towards Pakistani/Afghan populations (the 10%) rather than the Levant

Usually if there are single Individuals that differ that significantly from the local populations average of the region. It is a strong indication of admixed people. Something tells me we are dealing here with Khorasani or Afghan mixed individuals without the actual individuals knowing it. 10-15% admixture difference is usually the case for Northeast/East Iran. Only Balochis in Southeast shift more towards Afghanistan/Pakistan.

[Demhat]

This is my own K12b, although as someone with Bushehr ancestry its not surprising
1 87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49
7 88.8% Iranians (Behar) + 11.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.88
8 89% Iranians (Behar) + 11% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.92
Sure those aren't fully Levantine but its close enough I would say

Yeah I had seen Iranians from around Fars scoring some pseudo levantine admixture. I think this is simply the result of West Iranic enriched by little Arabian admixture(via Iraq) that appears pseudo Levantine. This is why I wrote "pseudo Levantine" in my initial comment.

[Negah]

On the Iranian GEDmatch thread, there were a couple results posted by Thambi I believe mainly from Kerman scoring 85 or 90% Persian/Kurdish + 10% NW Indian/Pakistani
These results are a minority obviously, but I don't think they don't exist. Shirazi people are pretty susceptible to this. Its also definitely more oriented towards Pakistani/Afghan populations (the 10%) rather than the Levant

I think the Shirazi samples can be mixed with the Coastal Persian Gulf region. Bushehr and Bandar Abbas regions are essentially extensions and trading posts of Shiraz. One can recall the Shirzai Persians of Zanzibar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirazi_people


Where areas Kerman can have possible influences from Balochistan.

[Demhat]

I think the Shirazi samples can be mixed with the Coastal Persian Gulf region. Bushehr and Bandar Abbas regions are essentially extensions and trading posts of Shiraz. One can recall the Shirzai Persians of Zanzibar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirazi_people


Where areas Kerman can have possible influences from Balochistan.

Whatever it is these samples seem to be exceptions to the average. The average of the region is important and those samples fall out of the average by too high margin to be explained by genetic noise inside a region. I assume they are exceptions posted by Thambi because of their higher than usual South_Central Asian scores, which makes sense as he, as a Indian, should be interested in those cases. I would be interested too If for example some Egyptian samples showed more than average Northern West Asian DNA.

[Dr_Maul]

I think the Shirazi samples can be mixed with the Coastal Persian Gulf region. Bushehr and Bandar Abbas regions are essentially extensions and trading posts of Shiraz. One can recall the Shirzai Persians of Zanzibar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirazi_people


Where areas Kerman can have possible influences from Balochistan.

Yeah although like Demhat says they are definitely a minority by a large margin. Although they are not non existent, it is almost exclusively from Gulf admixture. As someone whos 50% gulf myself I at most get 10-15% admix, and mostly in the range of 2-7%

[Randommembr]

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