Classify Iranian Zoroastrians - don't be lazy. Click on the link and comment

[Randommembr]

Not really they also looked regular Persian. You have to know North and South it is not clear cut there is fluent transition you can find gracile types in the North, while Northern types in the South too. Few of them are a little more cromagno-alpinized but overall they are typically of the more Persian type imo.

For sure. Persians throughout the country look relatively similar except for the Gulf Persians. Skin tone varies a bit, but Iran is somewhat heterogeneous, but still relatively homogeneous. There's not too too much variation for phenotypes. There's a common Central Iranian cluster genetically and phenotypically and most Persian groups fall into this.

[Randommembr]

They look like Iranians, nothing more, nothing less... Like in NW parts of subcontinent, the differences are regional instead of religion based.

Yes but the subcontinent has WAY more diversity than Iran. Don't get me wrong, Iran is also really diverse. But genetically there's a central Iranian Cluster and most Iranian groups cluster inside this. Also, Persians (regardless of where they live) generally tend to look similar.

[Negah]

You can check Vahaduo for the averages, it seems that the Zoroastrian is basically near identical to a relatively unmixed Persian

AM I reading this right? Iranian Zoroastrians are closer to South Iranians and more distant to other Iranians.

[Kyp]

AM I reading this right? Iranian Zoroastrians are closer to South Iranians and more distant to other Iranians.

They probably are relatively identical to muslim Persians from Kerman, Yazd etc..
A bit less western shifted than Fars region

Dodecad tells a similar story:

Distance to: Iranian_Zoroastrian
4.60957699 Iranian_Fars
4.91931906 Yazidi
5.14276190 Iranian
6.00895166 Lur_Iran
6.12945348 Kurd_Sorani
6.23395541 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.25711595 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.65393117 Iran_Mazandaran
7.11170866 Kurd_KAZ
7.71456415 Zaza
7.76888023 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.56601424 Iran_Khorasan
8.89187832 Turkmen_Iraq
9.07809451 Azerbaijani
10.16163373 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.88753416 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.10063221 Turk_Southeast
12.37102259 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.67236995 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.61437990 Turk_East
15.28834196 Turkmen_Iran
15.32845067 Turk_Central_East
15.35151133 Parsi_India
15.50746917 Lezgin
15.61007687 Turk_South

[Negah]

Ya. The tehrani ones I linked (3rd link) look pretty much exactly like Persians. Persians across the country look pretty similar except for mild skin tone variation. The thin lips, hairiness etc. Agree?

You seem to know a lot about genes of Iranians. I've heard Iranian Zoroastrians are identical to Persians except Muslim Persians have SLIGHTLY more mongol/Arab admixture. Appearance wise, all my Iranian friends say it's impossible to tell if someone is Muslim or Zoroastrian simply by looking at them. There's a HUGE myth that Iranian Zoroastrians are pure when Mulism Persians are pretty much identical and most likely their ancestors were forced to convert from Zoroastriansim to Islam.

Is the genotype and phenotype thing about Zoroastrians true? Any Zoroastrian (from Iran) samples you have to compare?

The Tehrani Zoroastrians are probably from Yazd and Kerman since those two cities are home to the overwhelming majority of them.

Iranian Zoroastrians are certainly darker than Ave Iranian and since they were practicing endogamy for many generations they lack the variety of other Iranians,. As a group, they may standout if you compare them to Northen Iranians or Azeri Iranians or Kurdish Iranians.

[Negah]

They probably are relatively identical to muslim Persians from Kerman, Yazd etc..
A bit less western shifted than Fars region

Many of the Muslims and Bahai Iranians from Yazd and Kerman are Iranian Zoroastrians who converted to Islam and the Bahai faith at various times in history.

[Dr_Maul]

AM I reading this right? Iranian Zoroastrians are closer to South Iranians and more distant to other Iranians.

For the most part, yeah its like that. The Iranian_Fars sample is relatively unmixed, so you could say that they are more or less unmixed Central/South ("Original") Persians. But to be honest, I am not 100% on how reliable these averages are but it seems accurate.
Actually, this thread has some of their results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...and-from-India
It seems like they are actually closer to NW Iranians according to that. Overall, they are not very different from other Iranians in general.

[Kyp]

For the most part, yeah its like that. The Iranian_Fars sample is relatively unmixed, so you could say that they are more or less unmixed Central/South ("Original") Persians. But to be honest, I am not 100% on how reliable these averages are but it seems accurate.
Actually, this thread has some of their results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...and-from-India
It seems like they are actually closer to NW Iranians according to that. Overall, they are not very different from other Iranians in general.

I disagree. Fars region has small amount of arab and turkic admixture from what I've seen also it was historically more a tribal area compared to Yazd etc... Yazd seems less mixed.

I don't know why Fars always gets singled out as the default Persian average.

[Dr_Maul]

I disagree. Fars region has small amount of arab and turkic admixture from what I've seen also it was historically more a tribal area compared to Yazd etc... Yazd seems less mixed.

Well I don't deny that people from that region have some admixes like that, I'm just saying that the Fars average on vahaduo is relatively unmixed

[Randommembr]

The Tehrani Zoroastrians are probably from Yazd and Kerman since those two cities are home to the overwhelming majority of them.

Iranian Zoroastrians are certainly darker than Ave Iranian and since they were practicing endogamy for many generations they lack the variety of other Iranians,. As a group, they may standout if you compare them to Northen Iranians or Azeri Iranians or Kurdish Iranians.

Iranian Zoroastrians are no darker than the average Kermani or Yazdi. Iranian Muslims have no where near the admixture as people think they do as evidenced by all the other answers. There is VERY little if any variety we lack compared to fellow Yazdi and Kermanis and Farsis. Muslim Persians ancestors are also converts from Zoroastriansism. Genetically, they are literally identical. I haven't heard anyone say that Zoroastrians standout in Tehran (Northern Iranians). Everyone says it's impossible to judge if someone is Muslim or Zoroastrian Persian just by looking at them. They don't stand out as different looking at all. Again, there's genetic evidence for this.

Tehran Zoroastrian image I linked look even lighter than the average Tehrani but exactly like a Persian would. The Iranis who came to India where also a few from Tehran and Zoroastriansim has always existed in smaller numbers in Tehran (after Yazd and Kerman).
Up until recently (historically speaking) Zoroastrianism thrived in Khorasan and Azerbaijan. It's still there in Khorasan a bit.