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    Ne zanimaju na srpska baljezganja i laži, a Dubrovnik je za vas zauvijek izgubljen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmatinac View Post
    Dude, the term "Catholic Serbs" is historically non-existent and a sort of an oxymoron. Dalmatians called all the Orthodox people in Dalmatia as "Serbs" regardless of where they came from (for example even Bulgarians) which to Dalmatians was a synonym for a Serb. So to say that people in Dalmatia including what was once called Turkish Dalmatia (present day W. Herzegovina) are "catholic Serbs" couldn't be farther from the truth - it would be the same as saying "catholic orthodox" or "catholic protestant", at least in the regions mentioned here.

    Regarding the music you posted there, that music is characteristic of Dinaric regions which cross the ethnic boundaries, so again the dinaric is not the synonym of a Serb. In fact, this music is very well played by the Croats who live in the Dalmatian hinterland while in some Serbian ethnic lands is not (for example Vojvodina is more similar to Slavonia in that regard). Thus here we are talking about regional differences not an ethnic ones. It's obvious that people who live in the mountainous regions of Dalmatian hinterland would play very similar music, have very similar traditions and costumes regardless of them being Croats or Serbs or whatever else they call themselves. Someone even mentioned klape singing here. Klape singing is indeed Croatian tradition, but that being said it doesn't mean that the type of singing mentioned previously is not. It's simply because East Adriatic coast where this type of music came to exist has always been inhabited by mostly ethnic Croats while the Serbs lived on the coast in relatively small number and haven't adopted that culture as theirs. If they had however, they would have probably developed their type of Klapa singing as well by now.

    So, my suggestions is to stop spreading mythomanic and chauvinist bullshit here if you don't want to further embarrass yourself. Cheers.
    Since you are Dalmatian, here is something interesting for you i believe.

    Gravestone of Catholic Serb Stefan Zovinić in the church of saint Frane in Zadar, he died in 1527 (STEPHANO ZOVINICHIO SERVIANO). Stefan Zovinić is recorded as settler from Bosnia who escaped to Zadar from Ottomans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Since you are Dalmatian, here is something interesting for you i believe.

    Gravestone of Catholic Serb Stefan Zovinić in the church of saint Frane in Zadar, he died in 1527 (STEPHANO ZOVINICHIO SERVIANO). Stefan Zovinić is recorded as settler from Bosnia who escaped to Zadar from Ottomans.

    Text of epitaph:
    VIVITE MORTALES CVRE QOT VIVITIS ANOS
    NON SIT. SED VOBIS Q BONA VITA FVIT
    STEPHANO ZOVINICHIO.
    SERVIANO. VI. TURCHAR
    PROFVGO VIRO. OPT.
    PARTI. CHARRIS. BONAE. Q
    INDOLIS. V. FRATRIB.
    DILECTISS. DESCE-
    NDENTIB Q. IO IOVINVS.
    IV. VT. DOC. VNA.
    CVM. MATRE VRSVLA.
    PIENTISS. MOESS. Q. POSV.
    OB. M. D. XXVII. DIE
    XXV. AVGVSTI-
    - SI -

    ŽIVITE SMRTNICI
    NE BRINITE KOLIKO GODINA ĆETE ŽIVETI,
    VEĆ DA STE PRIMERENO ŽIVELI
    STEFANU ZOVINIĆU SRBINU
    KOJI JE IZBEGAO OD TURSKOG NASILJA
    ODLIČNOM ČOVEKU, NAJDRAŽEM OCU I DOBROM SINU
    PETOM PO REDU BRATU I NAJVOLJENIJEM POTOMKU.
    JA JOVAN, ČETVRTI PO REDU BRAT,
    ZAJEDNO SA MAJKOM URSULOM POBOŽNO POSTAVIH.
    PREDSTAVI SE 25. AVGUSTA, 1527.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Since you are Dalmatian, here is something interesting for you i believe.

    Gravestone of Catholic Serb Stefan Zovinić in the church of saint Frane in Zadar, he died in 1527 (STEPHANO ZOVINICHIO SERVIANO). Stefan Zovinić is recorded as settler from Bosnia who escaped to Zadar from Ottomans.

    I'm not familiar with that one. Are there more examples? I literally have more than 100 sources regarding Catholic Slavs in Dubrovnik, Dalmatia and parts of Bosnia and literally Serbian identity is nowhere to be seen. I can post some sources here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmatinac View Post
    I'm not familiar with that one. Are there more examples? I literally have more than 100 sources regarding Catholic Slavs in Dubrovnik, Dalmatia and parts of Bosnia and literally Serbian identity is nowhere to be seen. I can post some sources here.
    On one Serbian forum when i mentioned to Croatian guy from Zagorje grave of Stefan Zovinić in church of saint Frane in Zadar, he said he saw it by own eyes. And you as Dalmatian never heard of it.

    Charter of Pribislav Pohvalić on Cyrillic https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pribislav_Pohvalić
    It's marked with yellow "ovi list srpski" and "u prvom listu srpskom"


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    Dapače, uskoro će ostat i bez ne samo Kosova (odavno otišlo), već i Vojvodine , Sandžaka te još nekih teritorija.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stotnik369 View Post
    Dapače, uskoro će ostat i bez ne samo Kosova (odavno otišlo), već i Vojvodine , Sandžaka te još nekih teritorija.
    Pre će Istra otići nego Vojvodina i Sandžak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vožd View Post
    Pre će Istra otići nego Vojvodina i Sandžak.
    Ne nadaj se.
    Nismo mi "mali rusi na balkanu" kao vi pa da nas Zapad cijepa kako i kada stigne. Dapače, mi smo dio tog istog Zapada.

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