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    Contrary to popular belief, I would argue that it is at least as much the latter as the former. Think about it: Latin America has historically been a lot more tolerant of adultery and even prostitution than has North America, however that has substantially changed in recent years due to the influences of both the Christian Right AND the feminist Left. Even homosexuality was legalised a lot earlier in certain countries like Brazil and Argentina than it was in the US. Similarly (however much this might upset White supremacists and separatists from Latin America), Latin America has historically been much more accepting and relaxed about race-mixing, but the influence over the years from the US of principally the traditional racist Right but also to some extent Black Power movements has changed a good number of people's attitudes here too. As an example, here is a protest held by a Black Social Movement in Brazil. Can anyone imagine any Brazilian holding such a banner even thirty years ago?

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    More liberal overall, but yes, it has led to more puritanical reaction on some aspects. People are becoming more race conscious here as a result, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    More liberal overall, but yes, it has led to more puritanical reaction on some aspects. People are becoming more race conscious here as a result, for example.
    Do you think that is due more to the influence of the traditionalist American Right or Black identitarians? Like I said, I think it is an ironic mixture of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Do you think that is due more to the influence of the traditionalist American Right or Black identitarians? Like I said, I think it is an ironic mixture of both.
    Yeah, both, but never at the same time: before WWII, it was due to the influence of the traditional American Right (vía the Marine occupation forces on this island), while post WWII/CRM60's, it has been due to Black identitarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Yeah, both, but never at the same time: before WWII, it was due to the influence of the traditional American Right (vía the Marine occupation forces on this island), while post WWII/CRM60's, it has been due to Black identitarians.
    Just to be clear: I am not naive in claiming that racist and White supremacist ideas didn't exist in Latin American nations before the US became the main global power etc, only that the particular kind of racism prevalent in the US, with its strong emphasis on segregation and 'purity', was previously mostly alien to the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Just to be clear: I am not naive in claiming that racist and White supremacist ideas didn't exist in Latin American nations before the US became the main global power etc, only that the particular kind of racism prevalent in the US, with its strong emphasis on segregation and 'purity', was previously mostly alien to the region.
    Agreed. The fundamental difference I see is that castes here were (and still are in a way) seen as a transitory state, while in the US they are seen as something fixed, haedened and immutable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Agreed. The fundamental difference I see is that castes here were (and still are in a way) seen as a transitory state, while in the US they are seen as something fixed, hardened and immutable.
    Many people (of all political persuasions) seriously underestimate how fluid race in Latin America really is much of the time: even within the same family you can get an incredible range of skin tones and facial features, even without someone necessarily having 'gone the full mile' of marrying someone who is fully White, Black or Amerindian. Btw: not that it really matters to me, but the wealthiest person in my Colombian family is one of the darkest-skinned, and he owns several mines. To my knowledge, nobody has mistreated him or assumed he is lower-class just because he is far from resembling Daniel Craig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Latin America has historically been much more accepting and relaxed about race-mixing, but the influence over the years from the US of principally the traditional racist Right but also to some extent Black Power movements has changed a good number of people's attitudes here too. As an example, here is a protest held by a Black Social Movement in Brazil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, I would argue that it is at least as much the latter as the former. Think about it: Latin America has historically been a lot more tolerant of adultery and even prostitution than has North America, however that has substantially changed in recent years due to the influences of both the Christian Right AND the feminist Left. Even homosexuality was legalised a lot earlier in certain countries like Brazil and Argentina than it was in the US. Similarly (however much this might upset White supremacists and separatists from Latin America), Latin America has historically been much more accepting and relaxed about race-mixing, but the influence over the years from the US of principally the traditional racist Right but also to some extent Black Power movements has changed a good number of people's attitudes here too. As an example, here is a protest held by a Black Social Movement in Brazil. Can anyone imagine any Brazilian holding such a banner even thirty years ago?
    Latin America in general used slaves (sugar cane farms), mestizos and free mulattos for workman.

    British used slaves and free Indians (Central America) for workman.

    A "white" country it's an ideology US-American use only European immigrants (including labor/workman). New Zealand (Maoris) is closer to Argentina and southern Brazil, where a smaller percentage of amerindians (in relation to emigrants) were integrated.

    The anti-miscegenation protests in Brazil come from the theory of "whitening" . Elimination (Lol) and absorption of blacks to solve the "black problem" (liberation of slaves).



    Brazil and USA wanted to send blacks to Africa, but they were only able to do so with the voluntary choice of ex-slaves.

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