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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    As Jorge Amado once put it: ‘the United States has millions of people who are not racists, but it is a racist country’ whereas ‘Brazil has millions of people who are racists, but it is not a racist country’.
    Yes, Brazil is portrayed, by books/articles, as more racial inclusive than the US, because we never had segregation here and cultural diferences by race, but also having a bigger racial inequality than the US.

    Both countries see whites as the ideal, while at the same time fetishizing/marginalizing the blacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Yes, Brazil is portrayed, by books/articles, as more racial inclusive than the US, because we never had segregation here and cultural differences by race, but also having a bigger racial inequality than the US.

    Both countries see whites as the ideal, while at the same time fetishizing/marginalizing the blacks.
    On its coverage of the US presidential inauguration, the BBC keeps on showing a clip of a debate between Kamala Harris and Joe Biden where she points out that she was one of the first children in California (keep in mind one of the more 'liberal' US states) to take part in desegregated schooling, where she had to go to school daily by bus to ensure there was a reasonable mix of White and Black kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    On its coverage of the US presidential inauguration, the BBC keeps on showing a clip of a debate between Kamala Harris and Joe Biden where she points out that she was one of the first children in California (keep in mind one of the more 'liberal' US states) to take part in desegregated schooling, where she had to go to school daily by bus to ensure there was a reasonable mix of White and Black kids.
    Yeah. While we never had racial segregation in Brazil, blacks being discriminated in upper class places is not something rare, in fact, our first anti-racist law was created because an Afram female was denied acess to an upper class places here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Yeah. While we never had racial segregation in Brazil, blacks being discriminated in upper class places is not something rare, in fact, our first anti-racist law was created because an Afram female was denied acess to an upper class places here.
    I'm sure I read about that - she was a dancer, wasn't she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    I'm sure I read about that - she was a dancer, wasn't she?
    Katherine Dunham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Yes, Brazil is portrayed, by books/articles, as more racial inclusive than the US, because we never had segregation here and cultural differences by race, but also having a bigger racial inequality than the US.

    Both countries see whites as the ideal, while at the same time fetishizing/marginalizing the blacks.
    Or to put it another way: historically, the US has been the equivalent of the hypocritical pro-segregationist politician who has an affair with his Black maid, whereas Brazil has been the equivalent of the hypocritical liberal who preaches anti-racism but beats up his daughter for bringing home a Black man.

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    third wave feminism, evangelicals/pentecostals and identity politics in general tend to be puritanical, although more like in a post moder way, of the new sensibilities.


    ALSO IT COULD DERIVE IN THINGS LIKE THESE:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Or to put it another way: historically, the US has been the equivalent of the hypocritical pro-segregationist politician who has an affair with his Black maid, whereas Brazil has been the equivalent of the hypocritical liberal who preaches anti-racism but beats up his daughter for bringing home a Black man.
    Yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Yes, Brazil is portrayed, by books/articles, as more racial inclusive than the US, because we never had segregation here and cultural diferences by race, but also having a bigger racial inequality than the US.

    Both countries see whites as the ideal, while at the same time fetishizing/marginalizing the blacks.
    That's because the US is richer and economically liberal though, and not because it historically cared more about their black population (rather on the contrary, Americans actively tried to decimate their black population in the past few centuries). A enriching liberal economy will reduce inequality no matter if people care or not about the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, I would argue that it is at least as much the latter as the former. Think about it: Latin America has historically been a lot more tolerant of adultery and even prostitution than has North America, however that has substantially changed in recent years due to the influences of both the Christian Right AND the feminist Left. Even homosexuality was legalised a lot earlier in certain countries like Brazil and Argentina than it was in the US. Similarly (however much this might upset White supremacists and separatists from Latin America), Latin America has historically been much more accepting and relaxed about race-mixing, but the influence over the years from the US of principally the traditional racist Right but also to some extent Black Power movements has changed a good number of people's attitudes here too. As an example, here is a protest held by a Black Social Movement in Brazil. Can anyone imagine any Brazilian holding such a banner even thirty years ago?

    Just look into this and will find out what is US doing in Hispanic America, how and why:

    https://www.islanguages.com/

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