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    Default What languages ​​have splitted farthest from its metropolis?

    What of these peoples are the most liguistic aparted from its european version?
    Last edited by Tenma de Pegasus; 12-10-2020 at 01:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    What peoples are the most liguistic aparted from its european version?
    Haitian kreyol from Metropolitan French for certain. I have it from some French acquaintances that they have needed the service of translators while being there just like any other foreigner. Although to be certain this separation began during the colonial times, since the "French" that formed the basis of kreyol wasn't the one of the Ile de France region, but rather, the Norman dialect that used to be the norm in the coastal region of that province before the revolution happened. During the Republic, all regional languages came under sustained and unrelenting attack and homogeneization with the one of the capital city, so much that today their speakers are all in the single thousands in all the provinces of the current French country. Spain and Britain have been more generous with their ethnic provincial languages in comparison, quite frankly.

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    Some African variations of English and French can enter the list. Same for Indian English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos One View Post
    Some African variations of English and French can enter the list. Same for Indian English.
    Its alrealdy so many, I did not added because the pool would stay even more mess. I almost added Quebec and Haiti French : /

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    I don't understand these options in the poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    What of these peoples are the most liguistic aparted from its european version?
    This question contains a wrong assumption.
    Actually, colonial versions of European languages are generally more conservative than the original metropolitan version. The "principle of conservatism of peripheral areas" is well established in linguistics.
    When people coming from various parts or their home country, speaking various related dialects, met overseas, they logically tend to agree upon communicating in the standard, literary, versions of those languages.

    • Which is the most conservative Scandinavian language? Icelandic, originating from colonial old Norwegian. And the most innovative one? Danish: Copenhagen was back then the unndisputed main centre of Scandinavian cultures, but the Danes managed to introduce in their language lots of phonetical changes their neighbours often poorly can understand.
    • In Western European Russia, there are (mainly) three highly diverging dialects (North, Central, South), but in all Siberian localities the language is nearly undistinguishable from to the Moscow standard.
    • In the 18th Century, visitors from France in Canada were astonished that even in the most remote farming communities the peasants were speaking the Royal Court's French.
    • Noah Webster, the father of American English, was well aware that it was potentially more conservative and dignified than London English (but as everyone know, at some point in the 20th Century the innovation centre moved from London UK to somewhere between NYC and LA).
    • Why are South-American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese so much easier to grasp that their counterparts in Europe? Well, I don't know, but I have a feeling this is because in Brazil or Mexico the languages remained closer to the old Academic standards while the metropolis Lisbon and Madrid changed much faster and developed weird phonologies.


    Quote Originally Posted by NSXD60 View Post
    Afrikaans
    Yes. Afrikaans is the only known instance of an European language that officially evolved into a distinct one
    But still, it's a simplified Dutch anyone with a basic knowledge of Dutch can easily understand, except for a few odd African and Asian words here and there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Haitian kreyol from Metropolitan French for certain. I have it from some French acquaintances that they have needed the service of translators while being there just like any other foreigner. Although to be certain this separation began during the colonial times, since the "French" that formed the basis of kreyol wasn't the one of the Ile de France region, but rather, the Norman dialect that used to be the norm in the coastal region of that province before the revolution happened. During the Republic, all regional languages came under sustained and unrelenting attack and homogeneization with the one of the capital city, so much that today their speakers are all in the single thousands in all the provinces of the current French country. Spain and Britain have been more generous with their ethnic provincial languages in comparison, quite frankly.
    Utterly stupid horseshit.

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    I know brazilian portuguese is largely derivated from medieval portuguese that was spoken in Northern Portugal around Oporto and mountains of Trás os Montes plus large amerindian accent in the Central-South of Brazil and african influence in some new words.

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