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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    I know brazilian portuguese is largely derivated from medieval portuguese that was spoken in Northern Portugal around Oporto and mountains of Trás os Montes plus large amerindian accent in the Central-South of Brazil and african influence in some new words.
    Tens alguma fonte para isso? Na verdade existem inúmeros meridionalismos fonéticos no português brasileiro que parecem indicar que a maioria dos colonos vieram do sul de Portugal:

    Aparentemente, os colonos portugueses que para cá vieram procediam de todas as regiões da metrópole, notando-se uma provável predominância de portugueses do sul, dados os seguintes fenômenos fonéticos existentes no Português Brasileiro: (i) ocorrência absoluta do [s] predorsodental, típico do Sul português, e inexistência do [s] apicoalveolar, típico do Norte de Portugal; (ii) monotongação do ditongo [ey], como em primero, dito [ây] no Norte, como em primâyru; (iii) manutenção da distinção entre /p/ e /b/, que são pronúncias alternantes no Norte, ocorrendo tanto varrer como barrer.

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    On topic, Afrikaans is surely the least conservative out of these since it dropped grammatical genders and underwent a drastic morphological simplification. Brazilian Portuguese is fairly conservative but i don't know if it is more than American English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    On topic, Afrikaans is surely the least conservative out of these since it dropped grammatical genders and underwent a drastic morphological simplification.
    Yes, Afrikaans is an exception.
    I never saw any logical explanation for that anomaly.
    In the 17th Century the Dutch were Europe's best educated people, with a literacy rate estimated at 25 et 30%. About twice as much as in Germany, France, England, at the same time. And Calvinist Boers were probably well above. They should have preserved their original culture more than any European people settling overseas.
    It's a real mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post


    Utterly stupid horseshit.
    Instead of acting butthurt, why don't you give us an explanation as to why you think Haitian kreyol doesn't diverge from Parisian French? Specially considering the fact that there weren't many metropolitans there to begin with (only Louisiana had less Frenchmen than the Haitian/Dominguan colony, this is well documented) and the majority of the few Frenchmen there were peripherals from the coasts (Normans, Bretons, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Instead of acting butthurt, why don't you give us an explanation as to why you think Haitian kreyol doesn't diverge from Parisian French? Specially considering the fact that there weren't many metropolitans there to begin with (only Louisiana had less Frenchmen than the Haitian/Dominguan colony, this is well documented) and the majority of the few Frenchmen there were peripherals from the coasts (Normans, Bretons, etc.)
    So many stupid assumptions in so few words... Really impressive.
    Hey, moron, don't you know that Creole languages are completely alien to European languages?
    So-called "French" Creole in the West Indies was well established as soon as the first generation of African slaves being brought there. Very interestingly, a similar "French" Creole was reported at the same time at the other end of the world, on the Réunion and Mauritius islands, which tends to show that Creole languages were well rooted in West Africa before Niggers were exported to far away islands.
    Similar story with the "English" Creole being spoken in Jamaica. Non-English, with an African syntax, and just as mutually inintelligible with English as Haitian (or Martinican) Creole is with French.

    Now, please, tell me what's your point.
    Oh, and just for my information, just tell me what is what you call "Parisian French". Just for a laugh. Thanks.

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