Poll! How Russian was Soviet Union?

[pulstar]

SU was technically a successor of Russian Empire after a transition caused by commie revolution.

Nope.

[Bignose Smallhat]

The Jewish Origins of Communism

The great Russian novelist and historian Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (who experienced the horrors of the Soviet gulags himself) recalls the nature of the violent Bolshevik Revolution that plunged Russia into totalitarian communist rule for nearly a century in an interview with David Duke in 2002:

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."

[Universe]

Nope.

Can you expand on that

[pulstar]

Can you expand on that

Yes, I can. What do you want to know?

[Lemminkäinen]

It was a multiethnic empire ruled by NKVD/KGB. And also a federation, also ruled by same NKVD/KGB. Politburo was a smokescreen hiding the oligarch using real power. Probably your life was easy is you kept quiet. The production based on planned economy system was the biggest problem led to the collapse of Sovjet Union. It was ineffective and clumsy leading to an industrial stagnation.

[Nykyus]

Russian nationalism was not welcome in the USSR. In Soviet cinema after Stalin, 2 currents fought: 1) national (Patriotic), it was headed by Pyryev, 2) cosmopolitan (universal, Pro-Western) it was headed by Romm. the pro-westerners were too strong, and they were all jews, making up a smaller part of the population, they managed to impose their tastes on others. Thus, the Trotsky-era USSR is not Russia, the Stalin-era USSR is Russia, the post-Stalin USSR is no longer quite Russia, it is a Trotskyist product focused on exporting revolutions to Africa and Latin America.

[KirillMazur]

Soviet Union was a Turano-Caucasus Empire, albeit sometimes "officially" led by Uncle Tom Russians. Basically the 2nd Alan Khaganate. Only the military was Russian.

The USSR was a continuation of the Russian Empire, taking into account the development of worldview and technology at that time. After Stalin, no one was engaged in the development of theory, so the country ceased to exist after the absolute obsolescence of the ideological basis.
Russians, as an imperial nation, are not characterized by small-town nationalism.
As for the Prussians and their vaunted warlike spirit, where are they now? They were trampled into the ground and disappeared from the political map of the world like some Hittites, and the remnants were turned into cuckolds and some fled across the ocean.

The Jewish Origins of Communism

The great Russian novelist and historian Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (who experienced the horrors of the Soviet gulags himself) recalls the nature of the violent Bolshevik Revolution that plunged Russia into totalitarian communist rule for nearly a century in an interview with David Duke in 2002:

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."

Solzhenitsyn as an authoritative source
It's just that Russia and the Russian people remade this ideology to suit their interests, that is, the Russian civilization was able to digest the initially enemy Marxism and put it at its service, which led to the creation of the Soviet state. But this is a merit wholly and entirely of Stalin's time. Lenin, Trotsky and this whole gang are enemies on the payroll of Jacob Schiff and other bankers who sponsor the false dilemma "capitalism-communism" instead of combining the best qualities of the two systems. The task of this gang was to destroy Russia under the false slogans of destroying the wealthy population, as well as to create a pilot experiment of the society of the future (a new world order) on the territory of destroyed Russia. But Stalin confused their cards. Therefore, so much dirt is still poured on him from all sides and will continue to pour for a long time, since denigration is a symbolic revenge. Therefore, do not be surprised that modern Marxists gave freedom to feminists and sodomites, such is the will of those on whose order Marxism was created, because even then they saw the new world order in this way.

It was just that then they managed to stop this virus of globalism in time. With a lot of blood, but stop it, separating Bolshevism from Marxism with Trotskyism and Leninism, and internazism, oh, Internationalism, but is there a lot of difference, if it turns out very easily from it, it almost turned out to be global fascism, and for Marx himself and his teaching this was just a task of reformatting society into a new state, when capitalism had not yet degraded to financial bubbles and super-debts.

Russian nationalism was not welcome in the USSR. In Soviet cinema after Stalin, 2 currents fought: 1) national (Patriotic), it was headed by Pyryev, 2) cosmopolitan (universal, Pro-Western) it was headed by Romm. the pro-westerners were too strong, and they were all jews, making up a smaller part of the population, they managed to impose their tastes on others. Thus, the Trotsky-era USSR is not Russia, the Stalin-era USSR is Russia, the post-Stalin USSR is no longer quite Russia, it is a Trotskyist product focused on exporting revolutions to Africa and Latin America.

BRAVO!

[Bignose Smallhat]

Solzhenitsyn as an authoritative source
It's just that Russia and the Russian people remade this ideology to suit their interests, that is, the Russian civilization was able to digest the initially enemy Marxism and put it at its service, which led to the creation of the Soviet state. But this is a merit wholly and entirely of Stalin's time. Lenin, Trotsky and this whole gang are enemies on the payroll of Jacob Schiff and other bankers who sponsor the false dilemma "capitalism-communism" instead of combining the best qualities of the two systems. The task of this gang was to destroy Russia under the false slogans of destroying the wealthy population, as well as to create a pilot experiment of the society of the future (a new world order) on the territory of destroyed Russia. But Stalin confused their cards. Therefore, so much dirt is still poured on him from all sides and will continue to pour for a long time, since denigration is a symbolic revenge. Therefore, do not be surprised that modern Marxists gave freedom to feminists and sodomites, such is the will of those on whose order Marxism was created, because even then they saw the new world order in this way.

It was just that then they managed to stop this virus of globalism in time. With a lot of blood, but stop it, separating Bolshevism from Marxism with Trotskyism and Leninism, and internazism, oh, Internationalism, but is there a lot of difference, if it turns out very easily from it, it almost turned out to be global fascism, and for Marx himself and his teaching this was just a task of reformatting society into a new state, when capitalism had not yet degraded to financial bubbles and super-debts.

Solzhenitsyn here is not meant to be used as an authoritative source. It is merely an excerpt (from the long and thorough article found in the first link) meant as a summary of the article's point that would answer the question from the thread's title.

And what is the problem with the quote? You went on to agree with most of what he said, except that you tried to camouflage the fact that karl marx, jacob schiff and 80%+ of bolsheviks were jews. There is nothing russian about that.

Stalin was the same shit as the ones he beat, just in a different packaging.

And just like americans stuck in the democrat-republican paradigm, you just like most people globally are stuck in that capitalist-communist paradigm. Want the best of both words? I'll quote hitler, "nationalism without capitalism, socialism without internationalism". Doesn't that sound much more like the real deal? Even though I'm more of a centrist economically, it's still much better than just mixing capitalism and communism, as neither gives the essence that we're looking for. But of course, decades of capitalist and communist (both with a strong jewish overrepresentation, surprised?) propaganda take their toll and we're not even able to take a suggestion from hitler because he is the epitome of evil...

[Rumata]

It is true that the "Russian" spirit survived somewhat in the USSR; antisemitism, hate of foreigners and a mobbish purge mentality got somewhat translated to fit the communist ideology, however there were some key differences that can't be denied.

I mostly agree with your post, but "hate of foreigners" isn't exactly a Russian thing. Actually, Russians are quite hospitable although it used to be better than it is now. And if a guest shows interest in Russian culture, he/she is sure to get some love and not hate at all.
I don't mean gopnik-like characters of course.

[KirillMazur]

Solzhenitsyn here is not meant to be used as an authoritative source. It is merely an excerpt (from the long and thorough article found in the first link) meant as a summary of the article's point that would answer the question from the thread's title.

And what is the problem with the quote? You went on to agree with most of what he said, except that you tried to camouflage the fact that karl marx, jacob schiff and 80%+ of bolsheviks were jews. There is nothing russian about that.


And just like americans stuck in the democrat-republican paradigm, you just like most people globally are stuck in that capitalist-communist paradigm. Want the best of both words? I'll quote hitler, "nationalism without capitalism, socialism without internationalism". Doesn't that sound much more like the real deal? Even though I'm more of a centrist economically, it's still much better than just mixing capitalism and communism, as neither gives the essence that we're looking for. But of course, decades of capitalist and communist (both with a strong jewish overrepresentation, surprised?) propaganda take their toll and we're not even able to take a suggestion from hitler because he is the epitome of evil...

Too many attempts to whitewash Hitler and the Nazi scum lately.
The goals pursued by the Nazi regime in Germany, unleashing an inhuman war against the USSR, are defined in the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal! A quote from the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal. No "sole purpose of destroying communism"!

Spoiler!

"International Military Tribunal No. 1, indictment

Section 1. General plan or conspiracy

III. Formula of the charge

All of the accused, together with others, during the several years preceding May 8, 1945, were leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices in the creation and implementation of a common plan or conspiracy to commit crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity, as defined in the Statute of this Tribunal, and in accordance with the provisions of the Statute, are individually responsible for their own actions and for all actions taken by any person to carry out such a plan or conspiracy. The general plan or conspiracy included the commission of crimes against peace, expressed in the fact that the defendants planned, prepared and waged wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements and obligations. In its development, the general plan or conspiracy covered war crimes, expressed in the fact that the accused planned and carried out inhuman wars against countries and peoples, violating all the rules and customs of warfare, systematically applying such methods as murder, brutal treatment, sending to slave labor the civilian population of the occupied territories, killings, atrocious treatment of prisoners of war and persons sailing on the high seas, taking and killing hostages, robbery of public and private property, senseless destruction of cities and towns and villages and devastation not justified by military necessity. The general plan or conspiracy provided for, and the defendants were ordered to execute such means as murder, extermination, slavery, exile and other inhuman acts both in Germany and in the occupied territories, committed before and during the war against the civilian population, persecution for political, racial and religious reasons, in pursuance of a plan for the preparation and implementation of illegal or aggressive wars. Many of these actions were committed in violation of the domestic laws of the respective countries. "

Question: and if the Soviet people had thrown off the "yoke of the Bolsheviks" in 1942, would the "Fuehrer-Liberator" have given the order to withdraw troops from Leningrad? Would the Wehrmacht divisions turn around and begin to withdraw from Stalingrad? Would Romanian, Hungarian and other gangs of accomplices start returning home?

Let me remind you that the war of 1941-1945 is called the Great Patriotic War because the peoples of the USSR then fought not only for the sake of "defending the ideas of communism", but for our common Fatherland. And from the very beginning of hostilities, millions of Soviet citizens went to the fronts, whose relations with the Bolshevik government were not easy! In the Nazi death camps and in the occupied lands, not only communists, but all citizens of the USSR were subjected to mass murder and torture, bullying and oppression. Was it only communists who were killed in Babi Yar? Did they burn alive in Khatyn because of the presence of a party card in their breast pocket? In the oven of Auschwitz did they go by belonging to the party?

As I see it, this is my evaluative opinion, such "phrases" are in some way an "Overton window" to whitewash Hitler and Nazism, whispering to us:

"Hitler really did not want war and the destruction of tens of millions of our people, he just fought against Bolshevism. Nazism would not have killed so many citizens of the USSR and other peoples, if not for the communist regime of Stalin!"

In fact, everything is simple.

Spoiler!

Hitler in his "Mein Kampf" (my struggle, my war, my campaign) back in the 20s of the 20th century, when he was in a German prison for extremism, wrote, reasoned exactly within the framework of the German political tradition that appeared with the emergence of Germany as state, that is, under Bismarck in the second half of the 19th century - Germany needs markets, and since (as happened in the 19th century in the west) colonies provide markets, Germany needs colonies. That is, territories with a second-rate population that can be exploited in all holes.

But, according to Hitler's reasoning, almost all overseas colonies belong to England, and in Eurasia Russia occupies almost the entire territory, then Germany has only 2 ways out of the situation - either take away the colonies from England, or take away part of the territory of Russia (already the USSR). Hitler's fight against communism is in the 500th place there, he didn't care about ideas, the main thing is that Germany needs colonies. And, by the way, Hitler in his book inclined, reasoning about all the pros and cons, that it is still better from the point of view of Germany to take the colonies from England.

Perhaps this played a cruel joke in 1941, the leadership of the USSR, having studied the views of Hitler (and they were not original and opposed to the ruling class of Germany, on the contrary, were quite consistent since the 19th century), they expected that Germany would attack England, and then to the USSR. And the USSR will stand aside, as Stalin said, let the imperialists kill each other, and then we will come to help the working people. But Hitler nevertheless was afraid to attack England at first, “fearing a blow in the back from the USSR,” as the Germans said. In general, the situation for the Germans was in terms of risks 50 to 50, who to attack first. The Germans eventually chose the USSR.

But, again, the point was not that the USSR was building socialism, etc. The considerations in Germany were purely geopolitical and resource-based, not ideological. An ordinary servant of capital.

Stalin was the same shit as the ones he beat, just in a different packaging.

Good joke. Stalin was not a Trotskyist and an agent of Western capital, and he used Marxism mainly to educate the masses of the class theory and logic of imperialist actions.
What do you know about the works of Lunacharsky and Bogdanov (for example, "Empiriomonism")? Stalin was largely guided by the works of these (and other) Russian authors.

Stalin's socialism combined many of the virtues of capitalism and socialism, such as the encouragement of private initiative and artels. Stalin realized that socialism was not viable (this is the will to die) and began to build National Socialism (on a socialist / cooperative basis), based on the dominant role of the Russian people (and this is in a multinational country!). But, for this he had to disperse the International in the USSR. What a violation of the dogmas of Marxism!
As for rich people, they will always be, in any system, since people are not equal by nature. But the main thing (and Stalin knew this) is to provide working social lifts and prevent the “privileged castes” from being isolated from the people in society (the CPSU under Khrushchev and beyond, the hereditary aristocracy in Europe, oligarchs and other august persons). That is, the possibility of control over them by the people should remain. There is a popular belief that Stalin was killed for this. In short, he did not manage to do a lot of things. And the "comrades" after him isolated themselves from the people and sold the country for their personal interests, turning into banal imperialists. But it's not over yet.
I can guarantee that for the sake of the USSR, under the leadership of Lenin, Trotsky, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev, no one would create the Third Reich - they would give everything themselves.