Ancestry and 23andme Are Lying About Southern European Admixture

[Smeagol]

lul

He's right that Ashkenazi Jews are far from being pure ancient Hebrews.

[SUPREEEEEME]

He's right that Ashkenazi Jews are far from being pure ancient Hebrews.

Never said we were. His stance is that Ashkenazim are purely converted Greek Islanders/Southern Italians/Greek Mainlanders, which is simply false and very amusing.

[ArdenTiberius]

At least half of the Sicilian Y is post-Neolithic MENA.

No it isn't, you are making things up. Opinions with no evidence means nothing.

[grabielx]

I get 0% middle eastern on 23andme and obviously that's not the case, If anything 23andme and especially the last update are on the conservative side estimating ME admixture. Why you guys can't follow the science behind ancient admixture, have you seen the paper about Rome? Do you understand what CHG, Iran Neolithic, EFF, EHG, WHG mean? Caucasian means nothing, EEF and WHG were as different as Europeans and Japanese. There is no caucasian race.

[ArdenTiberius]

I get 0% middle eastern on 23andme and obviously that's not the case, If anything 23andme and especially the last update are on the conservative side estimating ME admixture. Why you guys can't follow the science behind ancient admixture, have you seen the paper about Rome? Do you understand what CHG, Iran Neolithic, EFF, EHG, WHG mean? Caucasian means nothing, EEF and WHG were as different as Europeans and Japanese. There is no caucasian race.

There is a Caucasoid race and it is genetically proven. Comments correct South Asian DNA.

http://racialreality.blogspot.com/20...sis-at-k6.html

The point is, for years I have seen results that have said Southern Europeans, specifically Sicialians and other South Italians, Spaniards have 10-20% MENA admixture depending on the person. They are obviously lying, if you count all the Post Neolithic Y-DNA lineages from Phoenicians,Jews,Arabs and Berbers, it will total to being under 10% of the population. MTDNA lineages post Neolithic would be even lower.

This is only counting Y-DNA lineages so on an autosomal DNA level which counts everything, it would be even less so the average Sicilian (who would have the most MENA and Negroid) would only have 1-2% MENA admixture and 0.1-1% Negroid admixture depending on the person.

Ancestry DNA does go back around 1000 years and 23andme 500-700 years yet they are highly overstating the amount of MENA admixture, within that time period there would be no where near that much MENA admixture for Sicilians/Spanairds, all Y-DNA and MTDNA studies over the years have proven this.

[grabielx]

There is a Caucasoid race and it is genetically proven. Comments correct South Asian DNA.

http://racialreality.blogspot.com/20...sis-at-k6.html

The point is, for years I have seen results that have said Southern Europeans, specifically Sicialians and other South Italians, Spaniards have 10-20% MENA admixture depending on the person. They are obviously lying, if you count all the Post Neolithic Y-DNA lineages from Phoenicians,Jews,Arabs and Berbers, it will total to being under 10% of the population. MTDNA lineages post Neolithic would be even lower.

This is only counting Y-DNA lineages so on an autosomal DNA level which counts everything, it would be even less so the average Sicilian (who would have the most MENA and Negroid) would only have 1-2% MENA admixture and 0.1-1% Negroid admixture depending on the person.

Ancestry DNA does go back around 1000 years and 23andme 500-700 years yet they are highly overstating the amount of MENA admixture, within that time period there would be no where near that much MENA admixture for Sicilians/Spanairds, all Y-DNA and MTDNA studies over the years have proven this.

I trust more Lazaridis or David Reich than Racial reality, the fact that today EEF,WHG,EHG,CHG are all mixed doesn't mean than in the past those groups were quite distinct and distant. We wouldn't call them the same race if we would see them today on the street.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4170574/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973800/

[Leto]

I trust more Lazaridis or David Reich than Racial reality, the fact that today EEF,WHG,EHG,CHG are all mixed doesn't mean than in the past those groups were quite distinct and distant. We wouldn't call them the same race if we would see them today on the street.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4170574/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973800/

All those components are regarded as 'West Eurasian' and that's basically a more modern and fancier synonym for 'Caucasoid'. Just like we call East Eurasian 'Mongoloid'.

[grabielx]

All those components are regarded as 'West Eurasian' and that's basically a more modern and fancier synonym for 'Caucasoid'. Just like we call East Eurasian 'Mongoloid'.

No, certainly Basal Eurasian or ANE were not West Eurasians, they are described as being "Eurasians" and you get from "Crown Eurasian" to "Ust'-Ishim"-like to these subgroups without much further mixing.

[ArdenTiberius]

All those components are regarded as 'West Eurasian' and that's basically a more modern and fancier synonym for 'Caucasoid'. Just like we call East Eurasian 'Mongoloid'.

I thought East Eurasian was a mixed component between Caucasoids and Mongoloids.

[ArdenTiberius]

I trust more Lazaridis or David Reich than Racial reality, the fact that today EEF,WHG,EHG,CHG are all mixed doesn't mean than in the past those groups were quite distinct and distant. We wouldn't call them the same race if we would see them today on the street.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4170574/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973800/

Racial reality uses legitimate cited sources. I am not talking about that, I am only talking about post Neolithic MENA and Negroid lineages in Italy, both are very low among ethnic Italians. Obviously those lineages are going to go up due to mass non-european immigration which is not good but I'm sure it won't go up as fast as the Barbarian whores of North Europe.

So you think 23andme and Ancestry DNA are not lying about Italian DNA? Perhaps they changed their results after seeing what I said. These commercial DNA companies claiming to go back 500-700 years for 23andme, I recall 1000 years for Ancestry DNA yet they are obviously lying about Italian admixture.

It is impossible for any ethnic Italian to have that much MENA within the last 700-1000 years yet so many old and current results have shown 10-20% MENA for Spaniards and South Italians.