Fatyanovo-Balanovo autosomal results?

[Leto]

Yes, I am Indo-European. Not Iranic, not Aryan (I joke about that sometimes, nothing serious). But Indo-European? Of course. And I was born in Moscow oblast which was part of the Fatyanovo area. I don't understand why Turks and others have a problem with me talking about it (without even understanding what's serious and what's humorous).

[Leto]

lol 20-25 years old man is crying like baby
firstly you provoked me before you ruski aRiAn remember pls

Yes, I am Russian and Indo-European. I speak an IE language and belong to R1a. What's your problem with that? Do you even understand jokes or humorous comments?

[Rethel]

I confirm. Leto is a polrusski, heritable, native, even whitey, Indoeuropean.

[Leto]

I confirm. Leto is polrusski, heritable, native, even whitey, an Indoeuropean.

Don't mention me please, I dislike you too. It's better to ignore each other. Just like fucking Slavic Italian should finally stop stalking me like a damn fag (he sends me messages almost every day!)

[Altaylı]

Yes, I am Indo-European. Not Iranic, not Aryan (I joke about that sometimes, nothing serious). But Indo-European? Of course. And I was born in Moscow oblast which was part of the Fatyanovo area. I don't understand why Turks and others have a problem with me talking about it (without even understanding what's serious and what's humourous).

We Turks dont care you and other indo europeans you sometimes speak idiotic also you are too sensitive like a girl you are a man bro not a girl
you are taking jokes seriously too much

[Rethel]

too

Why too? What was unlikable in what I wrote?

Just like fucking Slavic Italian should finally stop stalking me like a damn fag (he sends me messages almost every day!)

He is very relevant here, really...

[Token]

No they are not because we talk here about ancestry and admixture. The drift is also causing the pseudo-EHG we see in so many Global25 models which neither fits uniparentals and historical evidence (EHG was already replaced by Fatyanovo and Finno-Ugrians, Balto-Slavs had only contact with Baltic HGs). Genetic drift among Slavs is higher and quite extreme because Balto-Slavs compared to West Europeans IEs were for the most time a much smaller population which quite recently exploded in numbers but this is not making some real genetic change or means it is all coming from new admixture. Global25 like Gedmatch calcs include modern drift to model modern admixture but these decreases the accurary of the models for ancient pops that is why many prefer QpAdm and formal methods for ancient pops which are less effected by drift. Fatyanovo-Sintashta predates both West Euro and East Euro drift so there is really no logic in saying they were much much closer to Scandinavians. The genetic differences between Scandinavians and Balto-Slavs without exotic admixture are mainly caused by drift which only started to form during the Bronze Age. Without drift Ukrainians cluster with Swedes. Also if anything East Europeans have an exiting Fatyanovo substrate even if mainly around 5-10% Scandinavians have none of it.

Here are Qpadm results from Davidski showing that steppe affinity is very similar among East and West Euro

My statement has nothing to do with admixture proportions, you're going off on a tangent here. I'm still waiting for you to show me that the genetic distance between Scandinavians and Fatyanovo is equal to the genetic distance between Slavs and Fatyanovo. Till now you've failed to refute anything that i've written.

[Leto]

We Turks dont care you and other indo europeans you sometimes speak idiotic also you are too sensitive like a girl you are a man bro not a girl
you are taking jokes seriously too much

Well, yes, you are probably right. In my native language I almost never swear (only mildly) but I like doing it in English online.

Let's not turn this thread into a troll carnival, I already regret having posted that Aryan comment, lol

[Leto]

Why too? What was unlikable in what I wrote?



He is very relevant here, really...

You ridiculed me, my family and my ethnicity in the past. Probably my religion too. I can forget that but I'd rather not talk to you anymore again.

[Arhat]

My statement has nothing to do with admixture proportions, you're going off on a tangent here. I'm still waiting for you to show me that the genetic distance between Scandinavians and Fatyanovo is equal to the genetic distance between Slavs and Fatyanovo. Till now, you've failed to refute anything that i've written.

The direct CWC R1a-Z283 ancestors of Balto-Slavs predating the drift event will also show on Gedmatch or even Global25 to be closer to Scandinavians despite contributing only directly and significantly to Balto-Slavs. Netherless the Fatyanovo sample is despite the drift only slightly closer to Swedes than to Russians (0,3-0,7) and both are with a distance of 7 not super close so no they were even with drift not much closer to Scandinavians. Argueing that Russians are on Global25 more distant to them because they arrived later is absurd because Scandinavians never existed in BA Central Russia in the first place. Fatyanovo has more connection with these Russians than with any Scandinavians but ultimately it is better described as basal North European because direct Fatyanovo ancestry not survived significantly in Europe.