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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    lol... have you not heard about the battle of Covadonga where the Reconquista started?? no resistance, wtf!


    Yes, I know, but do North Africans during the Roman empire speak Latin? where are all the Roman buildings in North Africa? (please dont post one or two, I am speaking about hundreds and hundreds if not thousands like in the Iberian peninsula).

    Also, your point about being conquered in more or less years is irrelevant, Romans took 200 years to conquer the peninsula (not even the whole peninsula but whatever). Gaul was conquered in 7 years. What about North Africa?
    It took about 66 years for the Muslims to enter North Africa from 643 to 709
    Regarding the Berbers, they spoke Latin. Of course, we are not talking about a year or two. We are talking about centuries of Roman rule. The first to write the novel Apuleius, the golden ass of barbarian origins
    Saint Augustine, the father of Christianity, of barbarian origins
    Quintus Lollius Urbicus was a Berber Numidian governor of Roman Britain
    And many more personalities
    I will give you some pictures from the Algeria Museum










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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    It's not our problem or fault that jews opened the gates for us ..
    It was Visigoths that opened the gates.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaderoran View Post
    Spain fell quickly in 7 years. There was no resistance. This is what I mean. There were not many battles. I know that Spain expelled Muslims later, etc.
    Muslims have taken more years to occupy North Africa, we have resources about the battles etc.

    Before Islam, there were Romans in North Africa and Spain. This is what I mean. Culturally there was no difference until the Jews fled to North Africa. from wisigoth
    Spain? What fell was the Visigothic Kingdom. As for the time it took to conquer north Africa and Iberia we are talking about different scales...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    It was Visigoths that opened the gates.



    Spain? What fell was the Visigothic Kingdom. As for the time it took to conquer north Africa and Iberia we are talking about different scales...

    As far as I know, wisigoths suppressed the Jews, which made them flee to North Africa
    And when the Muslims came to Iberia, the Jews made easy for them to enter. This is what I know historically
    We speak a lot about Spain, but we mean Iberia

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaderoran View Post
    As far as I know, wisigoths suppressed the Jews, which made them flee to North Africa
    And when the Muslims came to Iberia, the Jews made easy for them to enter. This is what I know historically
    We speak a lot about Spain, but we mean Iberia
    It had to do with problems of succession in the visigothic throne after king Witiza died. There were two rival fractions, one of them supported the new elected king and the other was against it. Apparently the other fraction was the one that facilitated things for the muslims. In the battle of Guadalete this other fraction even deserted.

    I don't think it was the jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    It had to do with problems of succession in the visigothic throne after king Witiza died. There were two rival fractions, one of them supported the new elected king and the other was against it. Apparently the other fraction was the one that facilitated things for the muslims. In the battle of Guadalete this other fraction even deserted.

    I don't think it was the jews.
    it were both, visicucks and jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    It had to do with problems of succession in the visigothic throne after king Witiza died. There were two rival fractions, one of them supported the new elected king and the other was against it. Apparently the other fraction was the one that facilitated things for the muslims. In the battle of Guadalete this other fraction even deserted.

    I don't think it was the jews.
    Thanks for the information

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    it were both, visicucks and jews.
    I read this not too long ago. I don't think jews had to do with it. It spoke of visigothic fractions and some Count Julian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    I read this not too long ago. I don't think jews had to do with it. It spoke of visigothic fractions and some Count Julian.
    Then it lacked the information about the Jewish betrayal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    Yes they spoke latin and even had their own latin dialect : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Romance

    There are statistically more roman ruins in the maghreb than Spain and they are in a better state too :

    Timgad :




    Leptis Magna :




    Thysdrus :




    Sufetula :




    Volubilis :




    Aqueduct of Zaghouan :



    Djemila :




    Roman took 200 years to conquer iberia mainly because of the punic resistance.


    even Romans used to mock Hispania in comparison to Africa :

    "Without doubt, Publius Cornelius, when you shall have a view of Africa from the sea, the reduction of your province of Spain will appear to you to have been a mere matter of sport and pastime." Titus-Livus, XXVIII,42
    source?

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