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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
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    damn, not even all Andalusia was under Muslim control 800 years
    Sevilla for example was reconquered and all the dirty Muslims expelled in 1248.

    The most funny thing is that the last 300 years of your loved 800 happened because you Muslims paid tribute to Castilla to no be reconquered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    damn, not even all Andalusia was under Muslim control 800 years
    Sevilla for example was reconquered and all the dirty Muslims expelled in 1248.

    The most funny thing is that the last 300 years of your loved 800 happened because you Muslims paid tribute to Castilla to no be reconquered
    These ignorants still believe in the FAKE idea of a total muslim occupation of half of Spain. They even paint the maps of 90% of Spain as it was under muslim control, when there are only known like 10-12 battles in which just 1200-1500 soldiers (for each side) were figthing. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE in those times lived in RURAL AREAS and never traveled to the main cities (it could take them 2 -3 days just to walk 80kms. All their lives were in the same villages and THE NEVER SAW A MOOR in all Al-Andalus period. But, hey, they like to paint all the maps is under muslim control as if there were muslims all over the villages.

    I wonder if for example the Brits believe that when they were 500 years under Roman rule this meant that there were italians in each village, city, and place in England. Not at all. The Romans just controlled the main capitals, the main places with a few hundred of soldiers, and very Little else. 100% of the natives from rural áreas never saw a roman in their lives. Al Andalus was even worst because from the very begining we went to fight to kick them out and the religious divide between christians and muslims was massive in those times (100 times more than today), so how can any retard believe in peaceful convivence of muslim-christians in rural áreas??? Impossible. I doubt that the number of real muslims from northAfrica combined in all the centuries were more than 40-50.000. There are hardly muslim cemeteries from Al-Andalus while we have hundreds of visigothic cemeteries and they came like 150.000.

    It was a thing of rulers and of diplomacy. The muslims were "invited" by a traitor governant (like today) to fight along one of the 2 sides of the visigothic civil war, and moros they were, they betrayed the governant and also fought against them. Then, they went to the 6-7 main cities in the half south and the jews opened the gates for them as the new rulers (with diplomacy they "won" the main cities). There are ZERO evidences of battles to gain Merida, Toledo, or other main cities during the muslim conquest. Just 2-3 battles of a few hundred soldiers at the begining but the main cities were just controlled by diplomacy. It took them just 7 years to reach to the north in a country with 5 million of natives. What does this mean??? Don´t 5 million of people can destroy those few hundreds of muslims in the year 711-718?? Obviously yes, but they DID NOT EVEN KNOW that there was a muslim conquest, that is why nobody revolted in the rural áreas. It was "something in the capital" in a time when 99% of the people lived in rural áreas. So, no one cared. If rural people cared the muslim rule of the main cities of the half south of Spain would have lasted 1 month and all the moros would have been kicked out in the begining.

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    But it was just that, a change of rulers. And retards still painting the maps as if all of Spain was full of muslims. How can people be so stupid??? In 98% of the villages of cities in Spain there are ZERO remains, chronicles, or anything related to muslims. ZERO. If muslims lived there (as the painted maps show), how there is nothing about them in almost any city in Spain?? Just the main capitalsn and little else. Even these muslim retards paint Galicia as having been under muslim conquest. LOL. There was just a small battle (that nobody exactly knows where it is) in the southEast of Galicia and little else. There was just a garrison of a few muslims in Astorga (near Galicia) just to inform the south that a Christian army was heading south, but NOTHING ELSE. And the muslim retards still paint all of Galicia as AlAndalus. Are they such stupid, low-IQ and inbreed as they are sold?? Yes, I certainly believe it.

    The majority of the ancestors of all the Spaniards that anyone can meet today never saw a moor in their lives. Even halopgroups or genetic testing, or archaeology confirm this. There are more semitic halopgroups (J and E) from the Neolithic in Germany than in Spain. So, figure. And the bereberes were originally an European population (as the majority of their paternal and maternal halopgroups confirm) that were living in the Ice Age in the Pirineos. They were European people 10.000 years ago that headed south and established in NorthAfrica. That is why some Spaniards get old berebers DNA in all corners of Spain. And they call it "NorthAfrican" DNA, when in reality is pure European prehistoric DNA that established in NorthAfrica with the berebers.

    Then the berebers got mutted many times with their semitic cousins while Spaniards remained almost the same (as genetics prove). Another reason to prove that the original bereberes were European is that they share a maternal halopgroup with the Sami: halopgroup V is northern Spanish but it is high in the Sami and the berebers. WHy??? Because 10.000 years ago, during the Glacial Refuge they lived in the Pirineos. And the Sami went north, the bereberes went south. So, that "bereber", or "Northafrican" DNA that many Spaniards get in low numbers is "Spanish" DNA from 10.000 years ago and not northafrican but genetic scientifics are too politically correct to try to make this differentiation so they don´t get labeled as racist by the muslims or the mainstream media, or get isolated by their progressive peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    These ignorants still believe in the FAKE idea of a total muslim occupation of half of Spain. They even paint the maps of 90% of Spain as it was under muslim control, when there are only known like 10-12 battles in which just 1200-1500 soldiers (for each side) were figthing. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE in those times lived in RURAL AREAS and never traveled to the main cities (it could take them 2 -3 days just to walk 80kms. All their lives were in the same villages and THE NEVER SAW A MOOR in all Al-Andalus period. But, hey, they like to paint all the maps is under muslim control as if there were muslims all over the villages.

    I wonder if for example the Brits believe that when they were 500 years under Roman rule this meant that there were italians in each village, city, and place in England. Not at all. The Romans just controlled the main capitals, the main places with a few hundred of soldiers, and very Little else. 100% of the natives from rural áreas never saw a roman in their lives. Al Andalus was even worst because from the very begining we went to fight to kick them out and the religious divide between christians and muslims was massive in those times (100 times more than today), so how can any retard believe in peaceful convivence of muslim-christians in rural áreas??? Impossible. I doubt that the number of real muslims from northAfrica combined in all the centuries were more than 40-50.000. There are hardly muslim cemeteries from Al-Andalus while we have hundreds of visigothic cemeteries and they came like 150.000.

    It was a thing of rulers and of diplomacy. The muslims were "invited" by a traitor governant (like today) to fight along one of the 2 sides of the visigothic civil war, and moros they were, they betrayed the governant and also fought against them. Then, they went to the 6-7 main cities in the half south and the jews opened the gates for them as the new rulers (with diplomacy they "won" the main cities). There are ZERO evidences of battles to gain Merida, Toledo, or other main cities during the muslim conquest. Just 2-3 battles of a few hundred soldiers at the begining but the main cities were just controlled by diplomacy. It took them just 7 years to reach to the north in a country with 5 million of natives. What does this mean??? Don´t 5 million of people can destroy those few hundreds of muslims in the year 711-718?? Obviously yes, but they DID NOT EVEN KNOW that there was a muslim conquest, that is why nobody revolted in the rural áreas. It was "something in the capital" in a time when 99% of the people lived in rural áreas. So, no one cared. If rural people cared the muslim rule of the main cities of the half south of Spain would have lasted 1 month and all the moros would have been kicked out in the begining.
    It's not our problem or fault that jews opened the gates for us ..

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    Your words contain some kind of truth. I think that the Berbers resisted the Muslims more than the Spaniards, knowing that the Berbers and the Spaniards had the same culture in the seventh century. They were under the Romans for centuries. The entry of the visigothic into Spain caused great problems in Spain. Many Jews fled to North Africa in the seventh century to escape from the visigothic.
    The Spaniards, and the Berbers, were not care in the new religion I think that is among the most important reasons for the rapid spread of Islam in Iberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaderoran View Post
    Your words contain some kind of truth. I think that the Berbers resisted the Muslims more than the Spaniards,
    You on drugs?? Berbers were fully Islamized, they were so conquered by Arabs at the point that today you talk the Arabic language, you have the Arabic religion and you have the Arabic genes.
    At the other hand Spaniards fought against the Arabs since the first day, with no rest, until their total defeat and expulsion, and we dont speak their language nor have their religion and much less we have their genes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaderoran View Post
    knowing that the Berbers and the Spaniards had the same culture in the seventh century.
    Yes, definitely on drugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    You on drugs?? Berbers were fully Islamized, they were so conquered by Arabs at the point that today you talk the Arabic language, you have the Arabic religion and you have the Arabic genes.
    At the other hand Spaniards fought against the Arabs since the first day, with no rest, until their total defeat and expulsion, and we dont speak their language nor have their religion and much less we have their genes.


    Yes, definitely on drugs...
    Spain fell quickly in 7 years. There was no resistance. This is what I mean. There were not many battles. I know that Spain expelled Muslims later, etc.
    Muslims have taken more years to occupy North Africa, we have resources about the battles etc.

    Before Islam, there were Romans in North Africa and Spain. This is what I mean. Culturally there was no difference until the Jews fled to North Africa. from wisigoth

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaderoran View Post
    Spain fell quickly in 7 years. There was no resistance. This is what I mean. There were not many battles. I know that Spain expelled Muslims later, etc.
    Muslims have taken more years to occupy North Africa, we have resources about the battles etc.
    lol... have you not heard about the battle of Covadonga where the Reconquista started?? no resistance, wtf!

    Quote Originally Posted by kaderoran View Post
    Before Islam, there were Romans in North Africa and Spain. This is what I mean. Culturally there was no difference until the Jews fled to North Africa. from wisigoth
    Yes, I know, but do North Africans during the Roman empire speak Latin? where are all the Roman buildings in North Africa? (please dont post one or two, I am speaking about hundreds and hundreds if not thousands like in the Iberian peninsula).

    Also, your point about being conquered in more or less years is irrelevant, Romans took 200 years to conquer the peninsula (not even the whole peninsula but whatever). Gaul was conquered in 7 years. What about North Africa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post

    Yes, I know, but do North Africans during the Roman empire speak Latin? where are all the Roman buildings in North Africa? (please dont post one or two, I am speaking about hundreds and hundreds if not thousands like in the Iberian peninsula).

    Also, your point about being conquered in more or less years is irrelevant, Romans took 200 years to conquer the peninsula (not even the whole peninsula but whatever). Gaul was conquered in 7 years. What about North Africa?

    Yes they spoke latin and even had their own latin dialect : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Romance

    There are statistically more roman ruins in the maghreb than Spain and they are in a better state too :

    Timgad :




    Leptis Magna :




    Thysdrus :




    Sufetula :




    Volubilis :




    Aqueduct of Zaghouan :



    Djemila :




    Roman took 200 years to conquer iberia mainly because of the punic resistance.


    even Romans used to mock Hispania in comparison to Africa :

    "Without doubt, Publius Cornelius, when you shall have a view of Africa from the sea, the reduction of your province of Spain will appear to you to have been a mere matter of sport and pastime." Titus-Livus, XXVIII,42

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