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    Quote Originally Posted by Autrigón View Post
    I wouldn't say "panic" is the most appropriate word in this case.

    It would be more appropriate to say "The moroccan parrots are repeating the same again".

    Ceuta and Melilla have never belonged to Morocco, I think is not so difficult to understand.

    What's next, the Canary Islands?
    yes it's as before the marinides dynasty lost ceuta to the portugues and the latter wattasides (as well as others dynasty) could not re-conquer neither ceuta nor melilla (unlike others city re-conquered during the saadians & alaouites period from the portuguese/spanish)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    that's simply ignorance moorish architecture is distinctively maghrebi and is not found in the Middle east : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_architecture (of course like with any type of architecture, it's based on many different influences but the architecture itself has its own identity and doesn't belong to middle eastern who have their own architectures which are less impressive imo)

    Same could be said about Zellij which is typically moroccan : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zellij


    Same for riads who are typically moroccan : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riad_(architecture)




    In the arabian peninsula, they lack any type of refined architecture that's why they bring moroccan craftsmen to decorate their mosques and palaces as you can see : https://twitter.com/i/status/1326577056717676545

    also in the case of the palace of the omani sultan it was made by moroccan craftsmen, you can even see the presence of Zellij :





    Moroccans even built an academic faculty in Palestine :




    A famous palestinian thanking Morocco for its art :

    “Yes I Am in the country of beauty, color,culture,music,and the most sensual smells. The land of milk and honey … Moorish Architecture.. Islamic Art. This place inspires me to export it into all my international design projects. Love you Morocco ??. You give the Arab world pride. (Picture)!!

    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/201...-love-morocco/


    Middle easterners are so complexed sometimes they only claim moorish monuments as "arab architecture" :




    There is absolutely no comparison, Moorish architecture is not middle eastern nor any middle eastern building is as beautiful.

    Now please show us monuments in the Middle east that looks like these ones :









    go ahead and show us. Now you're acting like afrocentrist trying to claim our culture. Pathetic
    No one's claiming anything. I said that the Moorish architecture is based on the Arabesque one which in itself is based on the Byzantine and Sassanian ones. Even the wiki article makes mention of this too:
    This architectural style blended influences from Berber culture in North Africa, pre-Islamic Iberia (Roman, Byzantine, and Visigothic), and contemporary artistic currents in the Islamic Middle East to elaborate a unique style over centuries with recognizable features such as the "Moorish" arch, riad gardens (courtyard gardens with a symmetrical four-part division), and elaborate geometric and arabesque motifs in wood, stucco, and tilework (notably zellij).[1][2][7][10] Major centers of this artistic development included the main capitals of the empires and Muslim states in the region's history, such as Cordoba, Kairouan, Fes, Marrakesh, Seville, Granada and Tlemcen.[1]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamal900 View Post
    No one's claiming anything. I said that the Moorish architecture is based on the Arabesque one which in itself is based on the Byzantine and Sassanian ones. Even the wiki article makes mention of this too:
    It's not only based on it nor does it mean it's middle eastern

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    It's not only based on it nor does it mean it's middle eastern
    No, but it's heavily based on middle eastern and greco-roman architectures with a unique twist which is what the Moorish architecture is. It's not something that the local Maghrebis came the entire architecture without being based on other cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamal900 View Post
    No, but it's heavily based on middle eastern and greco-roman architectures with a unique twist which is what the Moorish architecture is. It's not something that the local Maghrebis came the entire architecture without being based on other cultures.
    with that logic no country has its own architecture it's all based on influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    with that logic no country has its own architecture it's all based on influence
    Not all, but for the most part, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark-mysterio View Post
    yes it's as before the marinides dynasty lost ceuta to the portugues and the latter wattasides (as well as others dynasty) could not re-conquer neither ceuta nor melilla (unlike others city re-conquered during the saadians & alaouites period from the portuguese/spanish)
    They were divided tribes from north Africa who depended from Arabia. Morocco didn't exist as a country yet.

    Only Portugal could claim something about Ceuta but the city decided to be spanish with the end of the Iberian Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autrigón View Post
    They were divided tribes from north Africa who depended from Arabia. Morocco didn't exist as a country yet.

    Only Portugal could claim something about Ceuta but the city decided to be spanish with the end of the Iberian Union.
    Yes sir. Portugal is the world's oldest nation that had existed since the 11th century AD. Morocco thinks that it can take Spain head on just because they bent the knee to the US and Israel in exchange in recognizing the western Sahara as part of Morocco even though neither the US or Israel has any quarrels with Spain, and Spain is part of NATO as well which they can easily call on article 5 to bomb the hell out of Morocco easily. As for the Canary islands, just lol. The Guanche Berbers only exists as local Berber admixtures in today's Canary people who identify themselves first and only as Spanish, and they see Morocco no differently from other countries in Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    Well I thought nobody wanted to invest there And no most investors are not chinese :



    So France and Spain are the biggest investors in Morocco...and the grateful moroccans attack France with their jihadist terrorism and moroccans attack Spain with their aggressive "diplomacy".

    Very intelligent these moroccans...very intelligent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autrigón View Post
    So France and Spain are the biggest investors in Morocco...and the grateful moroccans attack France with their jihadist terrorism and moroccans attack Spain with their aggressive "diplomacy".

    Very intelligent these moroccans...very intelligent...
    That doesn't make sense because Morocco helped western nations to fight terrorism :

    https://middle-east-online.com/en/sp...uspects-arrest
    https://www.africanews.com/2016/03/0...-with-morocco/
    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...m-cooperation/


    the problem is with some muslims who were born and grew up in your country not Morocco

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