Origin of R-M198->R-FGC10641?

[Ion Basescul]

R1a-Z93->Z2124->Z2122->CTS6->Y2619->FGC10641

Cimmerians an ancient Indo-germanic group

lmao, those guys were like 40% East Asian and the rest European-like

[Kyp]

R1a-Z93->Z2124->Z2122->CTS6->Y2619->FGC10641

Haplogroup Z2122 is connected with the Zazaki language, a western Iranic language east of Cappadocia, which is different than Kurdish. The Georgians and Jewish that belong to this subclade including Benjamin Netanyahu's brother are therefore of western Iranic origin. In my opinion it may be related to Cimmerians an ancient Indo-germanic group that moved around a lot in the Middle East, Caucasus and the Pontic steppes.

Any sources on this? (would be interested)

[Pine]

Ashkenazi Levite clade - most likely picked up during Babylonian exile from Iranics.

[Pine]

R-CTS6 upstream looks Iranic, so ultimately this is an Iranic lineage, but FGC10641 specifically looks connected to the area between Ukraine and Poland mostly.

That's because all the eastern euro flags are Ashkenazi.

[Pine]

On a more serious note I do wonder how an Indo-European could possibly have founded the Levite lineage and whether it was present in Biblical Israel.

I can post autosomal results of that man.

R1a has been found in ancient Israel and his autosomal results are irrelevant unless his ethnic identification is really surprising. His Y is clearly Ashkenazi.

[Shubotai]

Nope, Cimmerians moved northwards from the Middle East to the Caucasus and only then westwards after they had crossed the Caucasus. They might have even been the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel connecting the two theories in one. Their haplogroups being R1a, R1b and mtdna U, H. No East Asian group ever made it to Europe.

Just contemporary ftdna results, researches like Rootsi 2013 only link it to ancient Assyrians and ancestors of the Levites.

[Mejgusu]

R1a-Z93->Z2124->Z2122->CTS6->Y2619->FGC10641

Haplogroup Z2122 is connected with the Zazaki language, a western Iranic language east of Cappadocia, which is different than Kurdish. The Georgians and Jewish that belong to this subclade including Benjamin Netanyahu's brother are therefore of western Iranic origin. In my opinion it may be related to Cimmerians an ancient Indo-germanic group that moved around a lot in the Middle East, Caucasus and the Pontic steppes.

Zazas came much later to Anatolia.

Isn’t R1b of steppe origin like R1a? Since it is very common among many in Middle East it must originate of a very early migration. Fo we know what haplogroups were belonging to ancient Jews/Levantines(just J/E or more)?

[Kyp]

Zazas came much later to Anatolia.

Isn’t R1b of steppe origin like R1a? Since it is very common among many in Middle East it must originate of a very early migration. Fo we know what haplogroups were belonging to ancient Jews/Levantines(just J/E or more)?

I think Zazas could have been native to East Anatolia for very long time tbh. They probably have been pushed further north/west by Kurds. I'm starting to think my YDNA is linked to them. My father always has a lot of Zaza matches.

[Mejgusu]

I think Zazas could have been native to East Anatolia for very long time tbh. They probably have been pushed further north/west by Kurds. I'm starting to think my YDNA is linked to them. My father always has a lot of Zaza matches.

Zazas have different origins, in my knowledge they are from Caspian sea or/and Chorasan. Tunceli is, although they are theoretically homogeneous regarding ethnic composition, very heterogeneous. Some look like Chorasani+Armenian, some Kurdish+Armenian and Some Kurdish+Turkish mixes.

[Kyp]

Zazas have different origins, in my knowledge they are from Caspian sea or/and Chorasan. Tunceli is, although they are theoretically homogeneous regarding ethnic composition, very heterogeneous. Some look like Chorasani+Armenian, some Kurdish+Armenian and Some Kurdish+Turkish mixes.

I think they descend from the Daylamites (Northwest Iran) the Khorasan origin could refer to a Parthian origin further back.

"Nach Angaben des Historikers al-Tabari galten Daylamiten und türkische Völker als die schlimmsten Feinde der arabischen Muslime "