The Dutch Don’t Love Europe—and Never Did

[Dunai]

I look forward, with all my hope, to the day that the EU-Empire is no more, and all nations are free again. We don't need a literal federation to be militarily allied or to made group trade deals with one another. What an EU federation does do is ruin the independence, evolution, and taste of every European nation.... and will send EU troops after any EU nation that doesn't like it.

Haven't you learned anything from history? This stupid Nationalism, and this idea of free nations (even if all nations are either way exploited by their own overlords) just produced two massive wars in Europe in the past 100 years, plus some other regional wars. Since the foundation of the EU there was no more war between member states. I believe any sane human being chooses a peaceful life, rather than this old-fashioned, dated idealism of national freedom. Within the EU besides not having to raise any weapons against another human life, you can also travel freely and decide to live wherever your heart desires. To me that is freedom, not all these useless borders, which will have barely any effect in the future of mankind.

[The Lawspeaker]

Slightly adapted from a stanza for the Bonnie Blue Flag, but if you want to know about how I really feel about the European "Union". It's not us that break away. It's them that betrayed and abandoned us. The loyalty once felt, was entirely one-sided.

"As long as the Union was faithful to her trust
Like friends and like brethren, kind were we, and just
But now, when EU treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high our tri-color flag and take back our star"

[Zeno]

Haven't you learned anything from history? This stupid Nationalism, and this idea of free nations (even if all nations are either way exploited by their own overlords) just produced two massive wars in Europe in the past 100 years, plus some other regional wars. Since the foundation of the EU there was no more war between member states. I believe any sane human being chooses a peaceful life, rather than this old-fashioned, dated idealism of national freedom. Within the EU besides not having to raise any weapons against another human life, you can also travel freely and decide to live wherever your heart desires. To me that is freedom, not all these useless borders, which will have barely any effect in the future of mankind.

I cannot express my disgust for people like you.

[Zeno]

Dp.

P.S. Dunai sent a rep comment calling me a "NaHTzEeeee bOi". Yeah, calling someone names a million times won't result in anything. I couldn't care less what is told by a fucking emasculated "male" who touts the same crap about "muh glorious EU" one million times over. He can be a teacher of the Karen type in junior high school if he wants to parrot.

[The Lawspeaker]

I cannot express my disgust for people like you.

For real. What a cuck.

[Creoda]

Slightly adapted from a stanza for the Bonnie Blue Flag, but if you want to know about how I really feel about the European "Union". It's not us that break away. It's them that betrayed and abandoned us. The loyalty once felt, was entirely one-sided.

"As long as the Union was faithful to her trust
Like friends and like brethren, kind were we, and just
But now, when EU treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high our tri-color flag and take back our star"

One of my favourite songs

[The Lawspeaker]

One of my favourite songs

And one of mine ! It really sums it up. Let's not forget that it were the neighbours who traditionally used the Lowlands as their battlefield.

[Turul Karom]

Haven't you learned anything from history? This stupid Nationalism, and this idea of free nations (even if all nations are either way exploited by their own overlords) just produced two massive wars in Europe in the past 100 years, plus some other regional wars. Since the foundation of the EU there was no more war between member states. I believe any sane human being chooses a peaceful life, rather than this old-fashioned, dated idealism of national freedom. Within the EU besides not having to raise any weapons against another human life, you can also travel freely and decide to live wherever your heart desires. To me that is freedom, not all these useless borders, which will have barely any effect in the future of mankind.

Haven't you learned anything from history? It is imperialism that seeks to subjugate nations, and empires are very happy when an "overlord" is willing to sell out their nation-state in order to be anointed into the ruling class of the growing Empire. They rely on the theory, "why limit yourself to being king of a molehill when there is an Olympus you can be a part of?" and encourage the deposing of leaders who will not cooperate with their Imperial agenda. The two world wars you are talking about started literally because Empires could not respect the autonomy of nations, but you say that their defense of national determination is what caused the wars? Your argument is the same as blaming the rise in violence caused by a mugging victim beating away their attacker.

The lack of wars is because of the superpowers and nuclear arms, not the EU. The EU prevents zero wars. You will see very soon, when the EU Imperial Army is formed, that the EU soldiers will indeed take up arms in defense of the Empire against members of nation-states who fail to fall in line. National borders are like clothing. A social construct that can be used to protect against unfavorable elements. Or would you let any random stranger grope you freely?

[The Lawspeaker]

Haven't you learned anything from history? It is imperialism that seeks to subjugate nations, and empires are very happy when an "overlord" is willing to sell out their nation-state in order to be anointed into the ruling class of the growing Empire. They rely on the theory, "why limit yourself to being king of a molehill when there is an Olympus you can be a part of?" and encourage the deposing of leaders who will not cooperate with their Imperial agenda. The two world wars you are talking about started literally because Empires could not respect the autonomy of nations, but you say that their defense of national determination is what caused the wars? Your argument is the same as blaming the rise in violence caused by a mugging victim beating away their attacker.

The lack of wars is because of the superpowers and nuclear arms, not the EU. The EU prevents zero wars. You will see very soon, when the EU Imperial Army is formed, that the EU soldiers will indeed take up arms in defense of the Empire against members of nation-states who fail to fall in line. National borders are like clothing. A social construct that can be used to protect against unfavorable elements. Or would you let any random stranger grope you freely?

Exactly. I couldn't even be arsed to reply to his nonsense any more.

[Turul Karom]

Exactly. I couldn't even be arsed to reply to his nonsense any more.

I don't mind talking to Dunai because he is a fellow Hungarian, and I am happy to show that there are multiple viewpoints among us regarding this. I will never know, because I am not in his head, the real reasons he is an EU apologist.