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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    They said the same about the Brits in 2012: They will never leave the EU. They will go under.
    As is implied Dutch depend on Eurozone way more. But okay, then I change my statement - fortunately you will leave.
    And we all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    As is implied Dutch depend on Eurozone way more. But okay, then I change my statement - fortunately you will leave.
    And we all are.
    Bollocks. The Euro can be used as a currency for international trade between EEA countries. A bit like how Panama uses the USD or how the Czechs and Danes often accept the Euro. You don't need to be in the Eurozone for this. Ask Montenegro.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    They said the same about the Brits in 2012: They will never leave the EU. They will go under.
    Brits have national elites, which profit from leaving the EU, dutch elites are fully integrated into EU stuff and unlikely to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Brits have national elites, which profit from leaving the EU, dutch elites are fully integrated into EU stuff and unlikely to leave.
    Think beyond elites for once. Yes - we need a referendum much like the 1992 Danish referendum that got them their opt-outs, coupled with new elections. This crisis could be just the right moment. The EU violates art.125 of TFEU so we could actually trigger it right this second and get away with it.

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    1. The Union shall not be liable for or assume the commitments of central governments, regional, local or other public authorities, other bodies governed by public law, or public undertakings of any Member State, without prejudice to mutual financial guarantees for the joint execution of a specific project. A Member State shall not be liable for or assume the commitments of central governments, regional, local or other public authorities, other bodies governed by public law, or public undertakings of another Member State, without prejudice to mutual financial guarantees for the joint execution of a specific project.
    2. The Council, on a proposal from the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament, may, as required, specify definitions for the application of the prohibitions referred to in Articles 123 and 124 and in this Article.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Think beyond elites for once. Yes - we need a referendum much like the 1992 Danish referendum that got them their opt-outs, coupled with new elections. This crisis could be just the right moment. The EU violates art.125 of TFEU so we could actually trigger it right this second and get away with it.
    Why would i think beyound the elites? The politics are done by them, and was almost always done in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Brits have national elites, which profit from leaving the EU, dutch elites are fully integrated into EU stuff and unlikely to leave.
    British elites were mostly pro-EU. Partly why the Brexit process has taken so long and been so difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Why would i think beyound the elites? The politics are done by them, and was almost always done in the past.
    So are the UK elites.. And the UK has left the Union. So are Norway's elites but the people voted down any attempt of getting them into the EEC.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    Exactly the reason why Greeks want a Grexit for ages now.
    But that will harm Greece economically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    But that will harm Greece economically.
    Not if they join the EFTA and keep their access to the EEA/CM. It's thus a non-argument.



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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    But that will harm Greece economically.
    No it won't! The fact is that the EU has only harmed us, not benefited us. Thanks to it, our growth was dwindled in the 80s and only came back in the 1990s to 2008.

    May I remind everyone about ALL these three bailouts over the last 10 YEARS? Which only destroyed us more? What is there to lose if we exit? Nothing. We'll only become better.
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