Argentina legalises abortion/Argentina legaliza el aborto

**~~gixajo~~** · 01-01-2021, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Sakis

Do you disagree with a referendum? What if the majority would vote for an abortion choice?

Do you really think that a referendum is a valid way to solve problems?

**Longbowman** · 01-01-2021, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by gixajo

Do you really think that a referendum is a valid way to solve problems?

for constitutional changes

**AdrianV** · 01-01-2021, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Longbowman

Whereas being a single mother has no stigma?

Nice to see you firmly in the pro-slavery camp. It certainly gels with the rest of your ideology.

Actually it is celebrated thanks to you know who.

**~~Fraisod~~** · 01-01-2021, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by gixajo

Do you really think that a referendum is a valid way to solve problems?

If not with a referendum, then how else can a society reach an important decision on any serious matter?

**~~gixajo~~** · 01-01-2021, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Fraisod

If not with a referendum, then how else can a society reach an important decision on any serious matter?

"Society" decides absolutely nothing that is really important, I doubt that they will ever let us really vote on anything in a referendum that is really important, if they do not know in advance that the result of that referendum is going to be beneficial to the who has promoted it. The options that we can choose are never chosen by us.

I always repeat it, but, but if voting was useful to really change something, they would not let us vote.

Is it legitimate to hold a referendum on an issue of at least dubious ethics?

Would you like to have a referendum about if we should kick out all immigrants? Or kill all the gypsies?

**Longbowman** · 01-01-2021, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by AdrianV

Actually it is celebrated thanks to you know who.

Almost no one celebrates or vaunts being a single mother. Not even the media. And, as I'm sure you know, no one praises them in private, either.

Be consistent, either stigma is an issue or it isn't. If it isn't, fine, but if it is, single motherhood definitely qualifies.

**~~Kamal900~~** · 01-01-2021, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Ruggery

In Palestine?

I'm living in the UAE but..

**~~Fraisod~~** · 01-01-2021, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by gixajo

"Society" decides absolutely nothing that is really important, I doubt that they will ever let us really vote on anything in a referendum that is really important, if they do not know in advance that the result of that referendum is going to be beneficial to the who has promoted it. The options that we can choose are never chosen by us.

I always repeat it, but, but if voting was useful to really change something, they would not let us vote.

Is it legitimate to hold a referendum on an issue of at least dubious ethics?

Would you like to have a referendum about if we should kick out all immigrants? Or kill all the gypsies?

In most countries, a referendum is done to make a decision based on 2/3 or even 3/4 support to the measure -- in contrast to government decisions that may easily be disturbing for half the population.
there may be a minority has opposes a measure with very strong beliefs, but then, at least, they know that the bulk of society is not on their side.
I shudder to think of a referendum anywhere in Europe to decide on expulsion or a progrom.
But, I don't put the abortion issue in the same category -- though I think that late-term (third trimester) abortion should be denied except in situations where the mother's life or health is in danger, or the fetus has some serious health problem. But, in the first or even second trimester, people can call the woman a whore if it makes them feel better, but she is more important and worthy of consideration than the NOT-A-BABY-YET in her womb.

**Ruggery** · 01-01-2021, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Kamal900

I'm living in the UAE but..

So in UAE?

**Zeno** · 01-01-2021, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Longbowman

Whereas being a single mother has no stigma?

Nice to see you firmly in the pro-slavery camp. It certainly gels with the rest of your ideology.

Since when am I in favour of slavery? I merely said that for a loan for the abolition of slavery cost the Britons billions of pounds in a period of 180 years. That doesn't mean in any way that slavery shouldn't be abolished. What should happen was that Britain should get the reparations to the slaves on its own budget, and not get a loan from Jewish bankers.

Suddenly, being against extensive borrowing in order to fulfill your cause, makes you pro-slavery...

And you tell that I twist the words of anyone...