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    Great video by a user on Anthrogenica explaining how Iberia has Roman (Northern Shifted) Italian DNA. In the video you’ll see that Pre-Roman Spain and Portugal (celtibericos) plot higher north than present, modern day g25 samples. And we see that the Basques are closest to the pre-Roman Iberian samples, they must of not been genetically Romanized like the rest of the peninsula. Anyway, Check it out, let me know what you think.


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    but CV hasn't, he has some other gene pool

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    yes it's well known :

    The impact of mobility from the central/eastern Mediterranean during the Classical period is also evident in 10 individuals from the 7th to 8th century CE site of L'Esquerda in the northeast, who show a shift from the Iron Age population in the direction of present-day Italians and Greeks (Fig. 1D) that accounts for approximately one-quarter of their ancestry (Fig. 2C and table S17). The same shift is also observed in present-day Iberians outside the Basque area and is plausibly a consequence of the Roman presence in the peninsula, which had a profound cultural impact and, according to our data, a substantial genetic impact too.
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230

    Iron age iberians were similar to modern day Basques but bronze age iberians had less north/central euro admixture which makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    yes it's well known :



    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230


    Iron age iberians were similar to modern day Basques but bronze age iberians had less north/central euro admixture which makes sense.
    Yes, and I think North African dna also contributed a bit to the southern shift along with the Roman dna. Hard to say which one more or less. I’d say more Roman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    Yes, and I think North African dna also contributed a bit to the southern shift along with the Roman dna. Hard to say which one more or less. I’d say more Roman?
    Yes but contacts with North africa are very old and Iberians have more italian/roman admixture than north african admixture

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    It makes perfect sense that there should be considerable influence from the period.

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    Roman Italian?

    What periode? Republican? Preroman? Roman Imperial?

    Modern "italian"? If yes, what people? Southern Italian? Northern Italian? Etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    Great video by a user on Anthrogenica explaining how Iberia has Roman (Northern Shifted) Italian DNA. In the video you’ll see that Pre-Roman Spain and Portugal (celtibericos) plot higher north than present, modern day g25 samples. And we see that the Basques are closest to the pre-Roman Iberian samples, they must of not been genetically Romanized like the rest of the peninsula. Anyway, Check it out, let me know what you think.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    Iron age iberians were similar to modern day Basques but bronze age iberians had less north/central euro admixture which makes sense.
    People keep repeating that Iron Age iberians were like modern Basques after finding out that 3 Iron Age samples from the northeast were basque like. There simply isn't enough information to make that conclusion, especially taking into consideration how multi cultural Iron Age iberians were like.



    It would be like finding 3 Tartessian samples and then concluding how all Iron Age iberians were like based on those 3 Tartessian samples. People are very fast to jump into conlusions.

    We need more sampling from this period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashball View Post
    Roman Italian?

    What periode? Republican? Preroman? Roman Imperial?

    Modern "italian"? If yes, what people? Southern Italian? Northern Italian? Etc
    Whatever period was genetically northern italian now.

    More samples are needed from Iberia anyway.

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