Spain, Portugal (Iberia) have Roman Italian DNA Video

[Aren]

This has been known since some time back. But resident Iberian members are in great denial - even OP disagreed with me when I was arguing with some of these obnoxious and highly ethnocentric members(Gixajo and Rocinante).

[Chris596]

Those Paleo Atlantids.. great fellas

[XenophobicPrussian]

People keep repeating that Iron Age iberians were like modern Basques after finding out that 3 Iron Age samples from the northeast were basque like. There simply isn't enough information to make that conclusion, especially taking into consideration how multi cultural Iron Age iberians were like.



It would be like finding 3 Tartessian samples and then concluding how all Iron Age iberians were like based on those 3 Tartessian samples. People are very fast to jump into conlusions.

We need more sampling from this period.

3 samples?

This looks a bit like more than three, most are from the Bronze Age but the point still stands:



Infact, the Iron Age samples in the north you speak of clustered with SW French people because they had extra continental admixture or were pure immigrants from France, while it's the previous Bronze Age inhabitants that clustered with Basques. Everywhere in Iberia, including Portugal, they clustered with Basques, there are no hidden populations that clustered with modern Iberians, modern Iberians are shifted to the East Med and other places.

[Luso]

This has been known since some time back. But resident Iberian members are in great denial - even OP disagreed with me when I was arguing with some of these obnoxious and highly ethnocentric members(Gixajo and Rocinante).

I don’t recall arguing with you. About what?

Also why would this be ab eurocentricism? Romans were European by all past metrics, just like native Iberians were European.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I disagree. Roman DNA is reflected on your tendency to eat pasta. Only people in blue in this reddit map have Roman Dna:


Merry Xmas to everyone

Ok except muslim friends, happy ramadan to them

[Aren]

I don’t recall arguing with you. About what?

It was mostly with Rocinante and Gixajo but you chimed in defending them.

[Damião de Góis]

3 samples?

This looks a bit like more than three, most are from the Bronze Age but the point still stands:



Infact, the Iron Age samples in the north you speak of clustered with SW French people because they had extra continental admixture or were pure immigrants from France, while it's the previous Bronze Age inhabitants that clustered with Basques. Everywhere in Iberia, including Portugal, they clustered with Basques, there are no hidden populations that clustered with modern Iberians, modern Iberians are shifted to the East Med and other places.

Perhaps you are seeing something i'm not. Where are the iron age samples in western iberia? I'm only seeing a few in the northeast.
You can also compare this map with the pre roman Iberia map i posted above to see what is still missing. Unless you think all those people who spoke different languages were all basque like? It's possible but remains to be seen.

Larger map:

[XenophobicPrussian]

Perhaps you are seeing something i'm not. Where are the iron age samples in western iberia? I'm only seeing a few in the northeast.
You can also compare this map with the pre roman Iberia map i posted above to see what is still missing. Unless you think all those people who spoke different languages were all basque like? It's possible but remains to be seen.

Larger map:

Why are you so stuck on Iron Age? Are you saying Phoenicians/etc or some other East Med group had a significant effect on Iberian DNA from the Bronze Age to the IA? The orange squares are all BA, from all around the country. Multiple sites in Portugal, Granada, NW Iberia, etc, as you can see on the map. Some today would plot inbetween Basques and Sardinians in a some what modern genetic "no mans land", but the point of is none of them are with modern Iberians and they are even less Eastern shifted than Basques(although in the case of Basques they simply have more steppe than some of the samples, modern Iberians have more East Med admixture and NA).

Also, the Iron Age is a lot more than just 3 samples, but I'm assuming you meant geographic locations/sites.

[gixajo]

This has been known since some time back. But resident Iberian members are in great denial - even OP disagreed with me when I was arguing with some of these obnoxious and highly ethnocentric members(Gixajo and Rocinante).

What and when do you exactly argue with me about Roman Dna in Iberia?

[Aren]

Why are you so stuck on Iron Age? Are you saying Phoenicians/etc or some other East Med group had a significant effect on Iberian DNA from the Bronze Age to the IA? The orange squares are all BA, from all around the country. Multiple sites in Portugal, Granada, NW Iberia, etc, as you can see on the map. Some today would plot inbetween Basques and Sardinians in a some what modern genetic "no mans land", but the point of is none of them are with modern Iberians and they are even less Eastern shifted than Basques(although in the case of Basques they simply have more steppe than some of the samples, modern Iberians have more East Med admixture and NA).

Also, the Iron Age is a lot more than just 3 samples, but I'm assuming you meant geographic locations/sites.

I was just gonna ask this too. There are 10 samples btw from the Iron Age, from two different sites, one in the Basque Country and one in Catalonia(AFAIK) and samples from both sites are very close to one and ohter. Modern Iberians deviate from these IA Iberians in that they have extra East Med input - lowering their WHG scores, varying amounts of North African, but at the same time modern day Iberians(sans Basques) have slightly more Steppe than these samples so you have a Northern Euro input aswell post-IA. The question would be then which of these deviating types of ancestry existed already in IA Iberia, in other locations that is as some here are claiming. The North African? Possibly persisted in Punic settlements in the SE, but we know today that North African input is as high if not higher in Western Iberia than it is Eastern Andalusia so areas never settled by the Punics. Is it the Northern European? I doubt it, if two sites in Catalonia and Basque Country, close to France show this relatively small amount of Steppe then we can hardly expect a higher amount in the rest of Iberia. Is it the East med/Aegan shift? Again, might've persisted in the coastal SE from Punic and Greek settlements but today this Greco-Roman input is spread relatively even throughout Iberia and only decreases substantially the closer you get to the traditionally Basque areas.