Spain, Portugal (Iberia) have Roman Italian DNA Video

[Damião de Góis]

Why are you so stuck on Iron Age? Are you saying Phoenicians/etc or some other East Med group had a significant effect on Iberian DNA from the Bronze Age to the IA? The orange squares are all BA, from all around the country. Multiple sites in Portugal, Granada, NW Iberia, etc, as you can see on the map. Some today would plot inbetween Basques and Sardinians in a some what modern genetic "no mans land", but the point of is none of them are with modern Iberians and they are even less Eastern shifted than Basques(although in the case of Basques they simply have more steppe than some of the samples, modern Iberians have more East Med admixture and NA).

Also, the Iron Age is a lot more than just 3 samples, but I'm assuming you meant geographic locations/sites.

Because it's more interesting historically (especially to us from the region), for example Lusitanians are looked at in a romanticized way for resisting Romans. Also because those samples don't exist in a big part of the peninsula (mainly west), which means IA Models we can run here will always be incorrect for western iberians. I also think it's not correct to make the conclusion that all of IA Iberia were like the northeast samples.

I meant "3 samples" in a figurative way. Meaning few in just one or two locations (close by).

I was just gonna ask this too. There are 10 samples btw from the Iron Age, from two different sites, one in the Basque Country and one in Catalonia(AFAIK) and samples from both sites are very close to one and ohter. Modern Iberians deviate from these IA Iberians in that they have extra East Med input - lowering their WHG scores, varying amounts of North African, but at the same time modern day Iberians(sans Basques) have slightly more Steppe than these samples so you have a Northern Euro input aswell post-IA. The question would be then which of these deviating types of ancestry existed already in IA Iberia, in other locations that is as some here are claiming. The North African? Possibly persisted in Punic settlements in the SE, but we know today that North African input is as high if not higher in Western Iberia than it is Eastern Andalusia so areas never settled by the Punics. Is it the Northern European? I doubt it, if two sites in Catalonia and Basque Country, close to France show this relatively small amount of Steppe then we can hardly expect a higher amount in the rest of Iberia. Is it the East med/Aegan shift? Again, might've persisted in the coastal SE from Punic and Greek settlements but today this Greco-Roman input is spread relatively even throughout Iberia and only decreases substantially the closer you get to the traditionally Basque areas.

Or maybe from those IA samples that are missing. Who knows, maybe they could help answer questions regarding East Med and North African?

[Aren]

What and when do you exactly argue with me about Roman Dna in Iberia?

This gem of a thread. You became so mad when I posted a run showing Iberians with substantial amount of Roman.

[gixajo]

This gem of a thread. You became so mad when I posted a run showing Iberians with substantial amount of Roman.

Thanks, in that thread you make a fool of yourself since your first post,Insulting and disrespecting like you're crazy, you've been saying for almost a year that I defend points that I do not defend, and you keep saying the same thing.

Don´t you remember this in that same thread?

To reach what we are, we have all had to climb many steps, all of us are connected to many peoples , civilizations or ethnicities, we have to thank many for what we are, and not all of us thanks the same people and in the same proportion.

And I included in those people the people who came to Iberian peninsula during the muslim rule, I received a lot of criticism for doing that, and now this guy accuses me of nordicism

[gixajo]

This gem of a thread. You became so mad when I posted a run showing Iberians with substantial amount of Roman.

And I didn´t "become mad" about Iberians with substantial amount of Roman, I just criticized using modern references mixed with ancient ones in the same calculator.

Actually who became mad was you, and everyone can see it reading that thread.

[Aren]

Thanks, in that thread you make a fool of yourself since your first post,Insulting and disrespecting like you're crazy, you've been saying for almost a year that I defend points that I do not defend, and you keep saying the same thing.

Don´t you remember this in that same thread?

I started insulting you? AHHAHA. You started insulting me - in Spanish at that too, thinking calling me "Muslim" is some kind of insult, when I wasn't even arguing with you but with Rocinante. You showed your true colors in that thread - racist and nordicistic that's what you are.

And I didn´t "become mad" about Iberians with substantial amount of Roman, I just criticized using modern references mixed with ancient ones in the same calculator.

Actually who became mad was you, and everyone can see it reading that thread.

You are a pathological liar. My run never included moderns. Here it is again, I'll post it just to see you chimp out again.

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 1.0928% / 0.01092835
52.8 Iberia_North_IA
20.8 Imperial_Roman_East_Med
17.6 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
8.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche

These are all samples from the pre-Roman Iron Age to the Early Middle Ages, representing what we know of Iberian history - Celt-Iberian base, Roman conquest and then the Medieval Moorish conquest.
Now stop lying, no one is ever gonna take you seriously.

[Smaug]

It actually makes a lot o sense. I'd like to see more studies regarding the impact of Roman conquest in other parts of Europe and MENA.

[Rafael Passoni]

And the other way around.

[Defcon2]

I started insulting you? AHHAHA. You started insulting me - in Spanish at that too, thinking calling me "Muslim" is some kind of insult, when I wasn't even arguing with you but with Rocinante. You showed your true colors in that thread - racist and nordicistic that's what you are.

You are a pathological liar. My run never included moderns. Here it is again, I'll post it just to see you chimp out again.

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 1.0928% / 0.01092835
52.8 Iberia_North_IA
20.8 Imperial_Roman_East_Med
17.6 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
8.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche

These are all samples from the pre-Roman Iron Age to the Early Middle Ages, representing what we know of Iberian history - Celt-Iberian base, Roman conquest and then the Medieval Moorish conquest.
Now stop lying, no one is ever gonna take you seriously.

The Basques were supposedly an "isolated" population.

Target: Basque_Spanish
Distance: 2.4316% / 0.02431597
85.2 Iberia_North_IA
14.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.6 Imperial_Roman_East_Med

Target: Basque_French
Distance: 2.0597% / 0.02059714
90.2 Iberia_North_IA
7.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
2.4 Imperial_Roman_East_Med

[Aren]

The Basques were supposedly an "isolated" population.

Target: Basque_Spanish
Distance: 2.4316% / 0.02431597
85.2 Iberia_North_IA
14.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.6 Imperial_Roman_East_Med

Target: Basque_French
Distance: 2.0597% / 0.02059714
90.2 Iberia_North_IA
7.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
2.4 Imperial_Roman_East_Med

Empuries1 are the locals, non-Greeks. So yes they are very isolated.

[gixajo]

I started insulting you? AHHAHA. You started insulting me - in Spanish at that too, thinking calling me "Muslim" is some kind of insult, when I wasn't even arguing with you but with Rocinante. You showed your true colors in that thread - racist and nordicistic that's what you are.

You are a pathological liar. My run never included moderns. Here it is again, I'll post it just to see you chimp out again.

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 1.0928% / 0.01092835
52.8 Iberia_North_IA
20.8 Imperial_Roman_East_Med
17.6 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
8.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche

These are all samples from the pre-Roman Iron Age to the Early Middle Ages, representing what we know of Iberian history - Celt-Iberian base, Roman conquest and then the Medieval Moorish conquest.
Now stop lying, no one is ever gonna take you seriously.

You are right, I was not very precise saying this, I said it from memory, it would have been more accurate to say that what I criticize is that you use "references from more modern age ages mixed with Iron age references", Canarian Guanches reference is are medieval reference.

You have already insulted me twice, one of them before even writing anything in this thread, it seems that you have a certain obsession with me and that the only thing you want is to provoke me.