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They are more in just the Atlantic sphere in general. I think Southern Europe is a relative term, Italy is more Central Europe in terms of economy, industry and trade and France and Iberia are more Western/Atlantic.
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Really ?
French are catholic from north to south ( that's more in common with S.Europe)
French have rich gastronomy and like to dedicate time to eat well with family and friends (that's shared by other s.euro nations, in northern europe they are very frugal, less family oriented and gastronomy is poor)
French love wine and are masters of that production, only southern euro countries approach that wine culture.
French kiss slot, it's even common males greet each other by kissing in the cheek, that's also only somewhat common in southern Europe.
Speak a Latin language...and don't tell me about celtic dialects in Bretagne, Flemish in the north and germanic in Alsace because nowadays nobody speaks it.
Generally in terms of culture and way of life the french have definitely more in common with other south euros, now you can tell me that nowadays people eat more fast food, are more Americanized, families ties are getting weaker, religion has no longer a big influence and people don't get 2 hour lunch breaks to go home a prepare a fine meal, society is changing everywhere, that is also the case in southern Europeans countries...but I am talking about the traditional aspects of the culture and way of living.
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We have had this conversation so many times, it's transitional it doesn't fit well into either.
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It is intermediate. Although they speak a Romance language and are (nominally) Catholic, ethnically and culturally the French have a lot more Germanic and Celtic influences than any other Romance people do.
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Well, Catholicism is also fairly spread in Switzerland, Austria, Ireland ... I don't know where's your point.
It's very binary, I think what you've described would be true for Scandinavia, but there are countries in N.Europe that doesn't fit this idea. Also, the upper part of French is less family oriented than south so...French have rich gastronomy and like to dedicate time to eat well with family and friends (that's shared by other s.euro nations, in northern europe they are very frugal, less family oriented and gastronomy is poor)
Culturally it may be the strongest tie, I agree, but culture isn't only language.Speak a Latin language...and don't tell me about celtic dialects in Bretagne, Flemish in the north and germanic in Alsace because nowadays nobody speaks it.
Not really, and I speak as a French, we are in our own case... French have a very different behavior than from Southern Euros, I can say that.Generally in terms of culture and way of life the french have definitely more in common with other south euros
Our culture is neither northern or southern, and I wouldn't agree that's closer to Southern Euros, definitely not.
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And the Irish are more loud mouthed and prone to party than most southern euros, what's the point ?
People in Portugal are perhaps even more reserved than the french.
Honestly I would like to know what for example the french have in common with english or norwegians regarding the way they eat, drink, socialize, and their language, religion, cultural references, wich makes them closer to those peoples than to the average southern euro? ...if you can see beyon of the stereotype that southern euros are all like the caricatures of sicilians, neapolitans or andalusians, wich is totally BS.
I live in a place with lots of expats from many countries (the french and Brit communities are very large), and the french don't get along and rarely socialize with northern euros, they don't form the same circles of friendship. I see the french socializing with other french ofc but also swiss, belgians (because of the language) and to a lesser extend with Portuguese and italians. Very rarely I see french socializing with northern euros, they even make fun about the typical way they eat and drink and how the british behave.
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