Genetic studies, social structure, and some inconsistencies

[reboun]

I have to admit, probably I was too sensitive since the genetic researchers didn’t include Turks with different migration routes in their Turkish samples. Now I think this is like a “game” for fun.

[Noble Cuman]

Natives of Turkey are Thrace Turks, Anatolia Turks and in eastern Anatolia Kurds,Arabs,Lazes and other little minorities. All of them have different genetics. Genetic researchers only consider natives of a population that living in a place for centuries to represent a population. Lets say native Turks of Bursa or Giresun are Manav Yörüks and Chepnis. They would choose these populations for city average. Bosniaks, Albanians, Balkan Turks, Tatar and other immigrants arrived in these places later. They have their own genetics, customs and traditions.

[reboun]

Natives of Turkey are Thrace Turks, Anatolia Turks and in eastern Anatolia Kurds,Arabs,Lazes and other little minorities. All of them have different genetics. Genetic researchers only consider natives of a population that living in a place for centuries to represent a population. Lets say native Turks of Bursa or Giresun are Manav Yörüks and Chepnis. They would choose these populations for city average. Bosniaks, Albanians, Balkan Turks, Tatar and other immigrants arrived in these places later. They have their own genetics, customs and traditions.

I think, definition of “native” in such context is a little complicated. How many years and generations must pass in other for a genetic group to be native?

[namelessuser]

Assuming that you are a native French. You are predominantly Neolithic Farmer with significant European Hunter-Gatherer and Ancient North Eurasian in you. Therefore, you are also “mixed” like the other French, Italian, Turkish, German people and etc.

By the way, Neolithic Farmers, Ancient North Eurasians and European Hunter-Gatherers were three different races because they did not have any genetic overlap and the genetic distances between them were significantly high.

WHG, EHG, ENF are of the same origin and White.

[Leto]

I think, definition of “native” in such context is a little complicated. How many years and generations must pass in other for a genetic group to be native?

He means they are either separate ethnic/linguistic/cultural groups or just more recent arrivals in the region. You do understand what assimilation means. Complete cultural assimilation implies the complete abandonment of previous ethnic and linguistic ties in favor of new ones. I don't know much about Turkey specifically, I believe there were some assimilationist policies over there in the past century but if for example Kurds or Arabs still identify as such and practice some forms of Kurdish/Arab culture, they are not assimilated completely (only partially). On the other hand, if an entire village identifies as Turkish and claims their ancestry is also Turkish, you really cannot exclude them.

[reboun]

WHG, EHG, ENF are of the same origin and White.

Take a look at the distances:

Distance to: WHG
79.62763339 Europe_EN
111.86429278 EHG

Distance to: Europe_EN
79.62763339 WHG
98.70086119 EHG

Distance to: EHG
98.70086119 Europe_EN
111.86429278 WHG

They are simply 3 different races.

[princeton90]

On the other hand, if an entire village identifies as Turkish and claims their ancestry is also Turkish, you really cannot exclude them.

Can't they be excluded even if they are genetically very far from rest of the population?

[reboun]

Can't they be excluded even if they are genetically very far from rest of the population?

They shouldn't be excluded.

[Thracian]

Can't they be excluded even if they are genetically very far from rest of the population?

All outliers must be excluded or re-grouped. Science works different than words. For example, let us say all Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Georgians, Slav Russians, Tatars, Fins and Armenians accept themselves as ethnic Russians. That would be horrific mistake if you label all of them as Russians. According to this scenario, an Uyghur can cluster with Russians.

The same goes for France if you add all immigrants into French that makes a chaos.

[reboun]

All outliers must be excluded or re-grouped. Science works different than words. For example, let us say all Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Georgians, Slav Russians, Tatars, Fins and Armenians accept themselves as ethnic Russians. That would be horrific mistake if you label all of them as Russians. According to this scenario, an Uyghur can cluster with Russians.

The same goes for France if you add all immigrants into French that makes a chaos.

But in real life, culture is more important than genetics, right?