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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    What surveys do you mean?
    In the mid-19th Century French economist and sociologist Frédéric Le Play wrote several works about family structures in Europe, including Russia where he conducted in-depth enquiries. Those books are a fantastic read for the ones who like me are interested in historical demography.

    See also: Peter Czap:
    "A Large Family: the peasant's greatest wealth - Serf households in Mishino, Russia, 1814-1858".
    • "The Perennial Multiple Family Househols, Mishino, Russia, 1782-1858"


    Excerpts might be available on line.

    (I know there are many villages called Mishino in Russia, I think this is the one located in the Ryazan oblast)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Linking behaviour of modern police women of RF to the traditional peasant culture is just too risqué.
    No.
    And I'm darn sure you know better than me that the stereotype of the sweetly smiling submissive Russian woman is a Western urban legend!
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    Australia and NZ for sure.

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    Tooting you are absolutely right

    It's more because the West and Central African societies were always matriarchal per nature, as counter-intuitive as it seems, the high rate of polygamy in these areas (not a consequence of Abrahamic religions but from deep ancient anthropological family structure), push towards matriarchy and not patriarchy

    As an anthropologist said (in French), in the Sub-Saharan African context, the polygamous male is nowhere and everywhere in the same time : since it is often a much older man with younger wives, that he "visits" in different times, children grow up in practice far away from a father figure (absent father syndrome)

    The enslaved Sub-Saharan Africans in the Americas continued this practice of a de facto polygamy ("side chicks", sexual promiscuity among both genders) and since they got not the sexual taboo of Mediterranean-Semitic-Abrahamic patriarchy, their societies is in fact much more egalitarian

    Similarly, the Southeast Asian areas are also quite gender equals for so-called "modern" Western standards. In fact, the Islamization and Christianization of these areas gave a pseudo-"facade" of patriarchy and anti-sexual promiscuity, but you can feel this is not deeply rooted and only superficial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post



    EDIT: the alleged Basque matriarchy allows to understand why the Basque provinces have been exporting countless soldiers, monks, Jesuit priests and missionaries to the rest of the world.
    Until recently, there has been no European territory or region that stands out for being "gender egalitarian", it is a modern phenomenon.There was more difference probably between a wealthy family and another from the common people in the same town in that sense, than between two noble families from different regions.

    In modern times, however, in Spain, Catalonia, Madrid or the Basque Country, being richer regions, they are also more "developed" regions in social terms, so it is possible that they are somewhat more sensitive in those areas than in others, but as I say, it is not something that comes from the past.(I edited it for add: and they received population from different parts of the whole country , that heterogenity helps also to conform a more "open-minded" society towards social aspects)

    Catalonia and Basque country were two of the Spanish regions with a more closed mentality for a long time in the past, we can just see the majority support in those areas of the Carlist absolutist pretenders, who among other things supported the return of the court of the Inquisition.

    It depends on what historical time, societies show one trend or another, there is rarely a continuity throughout history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Quite right.
    The Catalans are culturally conservative but politically leftist.
    I know, in Southernmost France (Languedoc, Roussillon) we have a watered down version of that weird configuration, leftist traditionalist to sum it up.
    Not entirely unlike the Welsh and to a lesser extent the Scots then. (Scotland is just as economically leftist but at least slightly more socially liberal than Wales).

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