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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    Do you believe that Ethiopians will also mix at the same rate or the ethno-cultural distance is still too high to have massive assimilation into the "core" Israeli population, therefore remaining mainly isolated from other groups ?

    Same questions with recent Russians
    Culturally, the Ethiopians of my generation are basically the same as other Israelis. Only difference is socioeconomic. Will there be mixing? Yeah, but probably less than with other groups for reasons you can figure out yourself.

    Russians mix at normal rates as I said.
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    So the Ashkenazi-Sephardim-Iraqi/Kurdish/Iranian/Bukharian-Yemenite mix will end up plotting genetically the future average Israeli multigenerational sabra near other Levantines (Lebanese) + with the pinch of SSA through Ethiopians, making them finally close to Palestinians ?
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    More interesting to me is the % of black (Ethiopian) jews who intermarry. Any numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    So the Ashkenazi-Sephardim-Iraqi/Kurdish/Iranian/Bukharian-Yemenite mix will end up plotting genetically the future average Israeli multigenerational sabra near other Levantines (Lebanese) + with the pinch of SSA through Ethiopians, making them finally close to Palestinians ?
    Would have to do a more serious study on the actual numbers and ratios of each group to approximate where the future Israeli would plot, but yeah plausibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    More interesting to me is the % of black (Ethiopian) jews who intermarry. Any numbers?
    No numbers, and I'm not familiar with enough of the current generation at marrying age to speculate.

    Here's an article from 7 years ago on the subject, see if you can get Google to translate it:
    https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4447932
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    Israel being a young country (and yet old in the same times, but that's the irony that Herzl mentionned in its book Altneuland), unlike other European countries, it has no aristocracy, and it was built by the old socialist secular Ashkenazi immigrants and ideals.

    Although there are some prestigious families (especially among Haredim), in the mainstream Israeli society, the old secular-leftist Ashkenazi elites (found in North Tel Aviv) has kept a certain form of hegemonia (especially in the academia).

    I was wondering if this group, despite being "lefitsts", actually in practice mix with the Mizrahi population, or is it a de facto endogamy ?

    AFAIK the mixing occurs mostly among lower classes (arsim/pro-Likud) of Periphery but less among elites ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post

    I was wondering if this group, despite being "lefitsts", actually in practice mix with the Mizrahi population
    Yes.
    I don't live in North Tel Aviv so I can't speak for them specifically, but there's no inherent opposition to mixing that could've been inherited, they're just slightly richer (and many people move in and out all of the time). Mixing occurs across all classes.
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    Good

    But last taboo, is still mixing with Aravim (it is certainly on both sides, mutual opposition to mixing) ?

    Do you believe in the next 30 years, this taboo will be removed or will remain ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    More interesting to me is the % of black (Ethiopian) jews who intermarry. Any numbers?
    7% for the first generation, but rising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
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    But last taboo, is still mixing with Aravim (it is certainly on both sides, mutual opposition to mixing) ?

    Do you believe in the next 30 years, this taboo will be removed or will remain ?
    Mixing with non-Jews is extremely taboo, but, the Muslims, and especially Christians, are even more opposed.

    There are some exceptions ofc, but this will not change. The government opposes it too.
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